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holy crap

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don't run and hide don't be afraid

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don't turn away any longer

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you're listening to jimmy church fade to

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and now your host the captain of

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conspiracy the prince of paranormal

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this ain't your daddy's radio network

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all right let's go let's go already

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that's a long week so much stuff

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you guys are gonna have to beg me for

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this story but one night

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i will tell you about the sunday night

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the sunday night evening at uh the house

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of blues in hollywood

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sunset boulevard when it was let's just

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correct here

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we showed up for dinner and it turned

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oh my my i had a bunch of out of town

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i'll tell that story one night you guys

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just beg me but it's a good one welcome

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everybody this is fade to black

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the wednesday edition yeah

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so glad to be back in the hot seat

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bespoke radio for the masses how you

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doing happy

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world ufo day

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that's right

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today's wednesday july 2nd we are 171

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days into the new year

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we are live from the jp motorsports

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studios right here in sunny burbank

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california for kjccr the dark matter

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radio network i'm your host jimmy church

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let's get this one cracking are you

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ready

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happy world ufo day

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kind of strange you wake up and it's

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it's that day and how they pull that one

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yeah roswell new mexico you know it's

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cracking out there this weekend you know

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it's july 4th weekend

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out of mack brazil's ranch

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uh next year this time everybody all of

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you fader knots out there let's uh

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let's pack up man let's go to roswell

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let's go to that museum get an alien

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i heard they're green

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big salute to all the proud men and

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women in uniform all around the world

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fighting the good fight for us without

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them there is no me there is no you

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there is no us and you couldn't hear me

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larry david

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turns 67 years old curb your enthusiasm

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forget that new movies got out about him

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and again every time i do a birthday on

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the twisted mind of church

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twitter facebook youtube twitter

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with all the other fader naughts and i

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see it now hashtag fade or not i'm

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you've got my approval i think that's

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right now i'll beg i'll grovel right now

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just send it out

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that doesn't make any sense twitter's

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hashtag dm radionet at j church radio

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and what's funny is what you know it's

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you know more than email now everybody

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all right my favorite knots let's go

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let's get this cracking tonight we're

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gonna have open lines

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i'll uh be taking your calls

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we will be taking your calls tonight

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dr lynn kittay

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in the house from phoenix the phoenix

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lights incident

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and i don't know if i'll mention this to

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um i think i mentioned it to her earlier

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this week or last week but

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every other week for about seven years

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uh on music stuff but you know just jump

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crescent out there at dunlop in the 17

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years and i love phoenix phoenix is

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vegas is air conditioned compared to

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phoenix in the summertime and anybody

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right now you know exactly what i'm

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talking about don't ever say dry heat

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man that is murderous

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that night of the phoenix lights i i had

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what my memory tells me

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i i went in put my bags down

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turn on the lights uh getting everything

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the phoenix lights and they're talking

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that it happened the night before and i

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been a saturday but i think i got back

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phoenix lights happened on a thursday

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wednesday night all i know was i saw saw

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was there and uh and i missed the

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phoenix lights that would have been

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really cool all right so anyway we we we

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323-825-5045 you can email throughout

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the show jimmy jimmychurchradio.com you

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know what to do

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simple enough

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uh you can also do it over the website

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just go over to the contact page where

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we use non-nsa specially encrypted

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converters uh servers and we basically

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do that for uh lou sheehan but that's

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all right contact in the desert contest

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guess what we have some new winners

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before we get to that just uh and i'm

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gonna do it right now so you can relax

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uh over at jimmychurchradio.com you can

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you've got it bookmarked

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scroll down

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there it is contact in the desert you

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takes you over to i'm clicking right now

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just to make sure everything is cool

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head over to the fade to black contact

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august 8th we will be broadcasting live

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that friday evening

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from joshua tree

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contact in in the desert from the event

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oh i've got another announcement i'm

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everybody's going to be there sucralose

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david wilcock

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daniken the bond is there to separate

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him from all the other danicans out

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there and stan friedman is supposed to

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you stan he had a heart attack earlier

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as serious as everybody thought thank

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but that kind of shocked the world um

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into thinking about how how mortal we

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all are because that guy is getting

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um i was going to have him on the show

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last week and the thing is with stan

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you can call him up

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get him on the phone and go stand you

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want to come on the show in 10 minutes

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absolutely and that's the way he is he's

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as gracious as anybody i have ever met

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threw me into just oh

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and i think he'll be home very soon but

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michael tellinger jim mars

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dr lynn kitay

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there's a coincidence for you

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go and join or go and enter go and join

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go and enter

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and come hang out with us and if you've

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never won anything it's about time all

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right so look at it that way

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all right

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so do you guys want to know the winners

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you guys want to know who the winners

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are

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here we go

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we have three to announce tonight

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and the winners are

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darcy

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lund

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you are going to contact in the desert

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darcy lund

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we will be contacting you darcy uh

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via

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email facebook we're gonna make the

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announcement and we will probably uh you

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know post your picture and and and do

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our best to embarrass you publicly

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the winner is

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thomas

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peak

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tomas

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peak

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p-e-e-k

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thomas peak you

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congratulations you are going to contact

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in the desert

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that is a four-day 400 pass that is no

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joke

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and last

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number three tonight

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and the winner is

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hold

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on sandra rios

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sandra

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congratulations

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you are coming with us you're going to

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come hang out a contact in the desert

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going to come on the show with us that

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friday night

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we're gonna go hang out with stephen

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greer

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and uh hey steve said he said dave come

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on man

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come on stage let's uh

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let's uh contact

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something

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i can't wait i'll track one of the

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winners up there too

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break out the laser

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that's right contact in the desert

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we will be announcing the next round of

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winners

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next week

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congratulations darcy lund

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thomas peak

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and sandra rios man that is so cool

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now all three of you if you are

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listening right now darcy thomas sandra

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calling to the show tonight three two

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three eight two five fifty forty five

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call into the show we would love to hear

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from you

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all right

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wow that man that that's cool i like

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doing that wish i could do that every

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night

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give away about

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fifty thousand dollars worth of tickets

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i would do it though that is cool that

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gives me a good feeling next week we'll

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do the uh next round

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all right i want to get to uh a little

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bit of email and then i've got a couple

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of news stories

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and uh again running behind how do we do

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it man

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how do

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i don't get it

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email from ben

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i'm counting on you to have some great

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shows this week as you usually do anyway

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to help distract me from thinking about

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the storm that is barreling down on us

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tonight and tomorrow night looking

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forward to all three shows

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ben i will do the best that i can my

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brother

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and uh our thoughts are with you it's no

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joke that's kind of weird not only those

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storms but

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you know it's july 4th weekend man you

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get i mean out of all the weekends you

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know you don't care about thanksgiving

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weekend you don't care about

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new year's weekend or christmas

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doesn't matter

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it's supposed to be sunny and barbecue

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that's all it's about

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all right another email oh this one came

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in from lou right before the show lou

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i'm gonna i'm glad i just had to read

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this

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tickets

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the staff at dmr radio told me i won

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tickets for a cruise to the bermuda

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triangle congratulations lou

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and uh let me know who you're gonna take

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with you

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i think uh romero wants to go uh

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meteor hunting or something

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another email now check this out this is

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uh we were i saw the tweets go out about

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this right before the show

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church rant tonight if you go over to

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jimmy church radio scroll down

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go to the home page

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scroll down i posted a picture uh under

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church rant

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and i am actually going there now myself

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so i've got to see this picture again to

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believe it this is the email that came

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with the picture and i of course asked

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for

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permission to post

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the said

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image

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this is the email

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again everybody just go over to the home

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page jimmy church radio scroll down

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church rant next to mirage man church

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rent you know where it's at

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click on that image it's a sonogram

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this is the email from richard

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my niece

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has been experiencing

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extreme poltergeist activity in her

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house

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doors slamming

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water running

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noises etc

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my niece is also pregnant

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and went for her baby scan

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now

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look at the attached file and look at

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the face

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not on the baby

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but on the top right hand side

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is that strange in the evil or

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what

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end of email now go look at that picture

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and

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uh her name is shauna shana i hope

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everything is healthy everything is

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great

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and all of that so now that i've said

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that that's my disclaimer

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i've seen

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and you can never i don't care who you

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are unless you're a professional in the

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medical industry

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you can never tell what a sonogram shows

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you is it a boy or a girl i can't tell

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you can't tell no i can't is it a baby i

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can't tell you know that's what it is

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but then you look at this

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and check that picture out i'm gonna i'm

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gonna enlarge it really quick

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we can look at this together that's nuts

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i don't know what that is

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but i'm not going to say it out loud

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it's too creepy

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reminds me of that movie from

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1972 but that is

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that's a crazy picture

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that is nuts

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and

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i don't know what to say but there are

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definitely two faces in that picture and

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one that doesn't belong

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that is truly strange so there you go

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that that came in from richard richard

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give our best to sean i'm sure

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everything's going to be fine and

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healthy and that is just some kind of

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strange anomaly but whatever it is

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that picture

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is crazy

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and crazy enough i think we're going to

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put it on the website too that's uh

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that's pretty nuts

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all right

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let's take our first break let's take

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our first break

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this is fade to black

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congratulations i mean how cool

486
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how cool is it to win something

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it's just absolutely brilliant

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congratulations darcy thomas and sandra

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you're going to contact in the desert

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you're going to hang out with us this is

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fade to black the wednesday edition i'm

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your host jimmy church on the dark

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matter radio network

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shoot me an email jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com i'll be back with

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some news right after this stay with us

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everybody don't touch

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uh

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you're listening to jimmy church fade to

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what's up revolutionaries it's me jimmy

501
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church

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do you have an irs or state tax issue

503
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:56,320
well i did and i called national tax

504
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,320
experts my problems were fixed done for

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me and man i gotta tell you it was a

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relief

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national tax experts are recognized tax

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office that services clients in all 50

509
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,440
states it doesn't matter where you live

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give them a call i'm telling you they

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take the time to understand each and

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every client's individual financial

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00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,320
status as well as their financial goals

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and that's exactly what you need my

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brother when you're taking on the evil 3

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letter so seriously give them a call

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00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:36,070
again 1-877-909-5444

518
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or go check out their website dub dub

519
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,360
dub nat

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taxexperts.com that's

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a n-a-t-t-a-x e x p e r t s

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00:22:06,310 --> 00:21:49,440
dot com tell them jimmy sent you

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00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,909
all right

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let's just get straight to it

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tonight we have dr lin kitay

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talking about the phoenix lights

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tomorrow night stephen bassett and prg

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friday

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a special fourth of july show with adam

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go rightly

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that's gonna be a show it's gonna be a

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fourth of july show so if you're gonna

533
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spend some time with us on the 4th of

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july you're going to want to do it with

535
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,280
adam go rightly it's going to be great

536
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and uh okay really quick i'm just going

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to spend a little little a few seconds

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on this issue

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about uh

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what everybody has been reading and

541
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hearing about uh

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uh

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lee spiegel and this show and myself in

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particular

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00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,240
uh about this feud that's going on so

546
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that's about it that's all i'm really

547
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gonna say

548
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in that uh

549
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coast to coast has uh mentioned the

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malibu base uh probably

551
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,520
four out of the last five nights on the

552
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air that's cool one of the nights it got

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a little dark

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and

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the the dust up around the web okay it

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did what it did i can't control that i

557
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,000
didn't listen to the show

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i have no idea i have not been in touch

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with mr spiegel uh until yesterday or

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the day before about this

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and he was going to come on the show

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tonight

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and explain what

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00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,760
uh his position and what's been going on

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00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,400
and there's a storm on the east coast so

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he called and said he couldn't do it

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and he would like to come on the show

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tomorrow night

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for a few minutes and talk to us so

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we will put that issue to bed

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at least for tonight

572
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,880
and we'll have lee on the show tomorrow

573
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,440
night okay so before

574
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,240
anybody tweets or sends an email or or

575
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,159
any more email

576
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,320
i can't tell you i thank you everybody

577
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,799
that did send an email by the way it

578
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,200
came in by the bucket load

579
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,279
uh in response to that and facebook and

580
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,720
everything else so

581
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,400
but that's it that's all i'm going to

582
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,640
say on the issue

583
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,720
and tomorrow night we will have mr

584
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:28,960
spiegel on uh to uh

585
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,559
put things right okay so moving on from

586
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,679
that

587
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,080
where was i going next i was i had

588
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,000
something cool

589
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,240
uh you know what it doesn't matter

590
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:42,799
there was an article that came out

591
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,159
and it was it's a blog and it was posted

592
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,520
by

593
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,640
lauren coleman uh one of the coolest

594
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,520
crypto zoologists out there

595
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,080
and uh somebody that uh i would love to

596
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,080
have on the show and i think we've

597
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,840
actually talked about it and now that

598
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,919
i'm thinking about it we should get

599
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,279
lauren on here in the next couple of

600
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,000
days to talk about

601
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,840
this blog and the blog and it's on

602
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,880
uh

603
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:12,840
it's on twilight

604
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,000
language and i think i can get the post

605
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,919
up for it because it's you know it's a

606
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,400
blog spot blog but it's called twilight

607
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:21,760
language

608
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,559
and they explore the hidden meanings of

609
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,240
of different

610
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,960
things they they touch on everything

611
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,799
but this is crazy

612
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,240
this is about

613
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:34,240
june 24th

614
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,039
and the deaths of ufologists

615
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,480
and i didn't want to talk about this he

616
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,760
posted this on june 22nd

617
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,360
i didn't want to go there

618
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,600
i didn't want to mention june 24th i

619
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,360
didn't want to talk about it

620
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,720
and that week of shows came and went and

621
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,400
i just let it go

622
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,000
because i don't like to i don't want to

623
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,480
jinx honey and anything

624
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:02,480
including me

625
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:03,360
i'm

626
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,919
ufologist because you need a you need a

627
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,440
pedigree to fall into that i haven't

628
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,760
written a book or anything

629
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,520
but still

630
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:15,039
right

631
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:19,039
now check this out june 24th

632
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,880
and the list of mysterious deaths is so

633
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,799
long and crazy

634
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,279
i'm just gonna bust a few of these out

635
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,279
and you tell me if there's a connection

636
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,799
june 24th 1908

637
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,440
grover cleveland

638
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:37,200
why is that significant because two days

639
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:40,880
later was the tungusta event

640
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,480
1971 ufo author otto binder

641
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,760
claimed at least 137 ufo investigators

642
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,840
had died under mysterious circumstances

643
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,880
during the 1960s

644
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,480
and

645
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,000
that's that's when

646
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:58,559
everything started to kind of surface

647
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:02,080
but it was all tied to specific dates

648
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,279
okay

649
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,720
john keel 2009

650
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:09,039
june 24th

651
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:16,480
he was the author of like the first ufo

652
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,799
book june 24 1967 both british ufo conte

653
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,520
contactees arthur bryant and richard

654
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:29,350
check that out june 24 1969 willy lay

655
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:33,679
the rocket scientist and fortian author

656
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:37,279
june 23 1967 frank edwards

657
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,120
popular ufo author radio personality

658
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,799
he died a few hours before bryant

659
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,520
it's like crazy

660
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:50,320
james mosley

661
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,720
died at the hotel commodore

662
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,440
june 24th death uh that was kind of

663
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:02,880
strange was robert chereau best known

664
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:08,080
pen name of robert joseph grugo grujo

665
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,240
he died june 24 1978

666
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:14,799
he was the one that wrote on ancient

667
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,720
astronauts before von daniken

668
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,120
he wrote that book lost worlds and if

669
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,960
you've ever wanted to read something

670
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,200
really cool on the subject go pick that

671
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,440
one up

672
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,559
but

673
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,200
it's one death after another jackie

674
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,279
gleason we all know what happened to

675
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:34,640
jackie

676
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,120
after you know supposedly meeting et's

677
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,039
in florida and went and built a ufo

678
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,710
jackie died on june 24th

679
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,919
ufo writer frank edwards publisher

680
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:52,559
of uh lyle stewart died of a heart

681
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,990
june 24 2013

682
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,399
the rocket scientist computer scientist

683
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,960
and author that wrote after the internet

684
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,520
alien intelligence came out in 2000

685
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:09,440
james martin press

686
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,679
author james martin martin 79 years old

687
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,750
devo

688
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:20,000
alan myers

689
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,960
member of

690
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:23,120
devo he died on june 24th but check this

691
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,919
out

692
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,279
his studio

693
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:26,880
the the

694
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,960
the devo studio was called ufo studios

695
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,919
and now i want to thank lauren coleman

696
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,679
for this the list goes on and on and on

697
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:37,360
we're out of time

698
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:42,080
but uh i'll post this and lauren helped

699
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,760
uh with uh nick redford's new book

700
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,360
close encounters of the fatal kind

701
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,760
suspicious deaths mysterious murders and

702
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,640
bizarre disappearances in ufo history

703
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,720
and they put this list together and and

704
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,240
posted the blog

705
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,080
so thank you nick

706
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,240
nick was on that other show last week

707
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,279
and that's why he couldn't do this one

708
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,600
so i'm reading this article

709
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,600
there you go

710
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,799
i'm ready

711
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,120
it's the bottom of the hour

712
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,039
the time is near

713
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,880
time is nine

714
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,559
let's do this

715
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,000
tonight

716
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,440
it's gonna be great

717
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,159
seriously tonight lynn kattay

718
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,520
talking about the phoenix lights

719
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,919
tomorrow steven bassett and prg

720
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:28,320
then on friday fourth of july special

721
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,230
tweet right now

722
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,919
at j church radio

723
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,399
dm radio net this is faded black i'm

724
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:40,399
jimmy church on the dark matter radio

725
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,710
way out here we listen to jimmy church

726
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:51,360
on the dark matter radio network

727
00:31:13,350 --> 00:30:59,110
you're listening to fade to black on the

728
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,750
you're listening to jimmy church this is

729
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:18,720
revolution the revolution will not be

730
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:23,120
televised the revolution is on radio

731
00:31:35,600 --> 00:32:05,750
so

732
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,830
all right everybody welcome back

733
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,840
fade to black

734
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,240
wednesday edition i just got

735
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:14,159
it's got notice from the uh producers

736
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:17,840
here that the link for the june 24th

737
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,440
ufo deaths ufologist has been posted so

738
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,399
go check it out over at

739
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,960
jimmychurchradio.com

740
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,519
it's going to be a great week

741
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,159
of uh radio here on the dark matter

742
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,039
radio network uh tonight dr lincoltay

743
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,840
tomorrow night stephen pass it in prg

744
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,919
and then friday the fourth of july

745
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,559
special with adam go rightly

746
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,360
and uh it's just a just a pleasure to do

747
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,039
the show and hang out with everybody but

748
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:46,480
right now i just want to get straight to

749
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:47,519
it

750
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,519
is an internationally acclaimed

751
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,440
physician and health educator who push

752
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,559
aside her successful medical career to

753
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,799
pursue the phoenix lights book and

754
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,240
internationally award-winning

755
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,159
documentary project

756
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,720
she was leading the cutting edge era of

757
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,200
early disease detection and prevention

758
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,760
as chief clinical consultant of the

759
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,000
imaging prevention wellness center at

760
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,159
the world-renowned arizona heart

761
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,559
institute in phoenix arizona until

762
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,200
coming forward after seven years of

763
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,880
anonymity

764
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,120
as a key witness to the historic and

765
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,279
still unexplained mass sighting

766
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,840
throughout arizona on march thirteenth

767
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,760
nineteen ninety seven

768
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,240
dr lynn graduated with a bachelor's of

769
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,000
science degree in secondary science

770
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,799
education with minors in communication

771
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:38,799
and voice from temple university in

772
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,720
philadelphia pennsylvania in 1970 and an

773
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,360
md degree from temple university school

774
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,399
of medicine in 1974. she completed her

775
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,559
postgraduate studies at the medical

776
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,480
college of pennsylvania

777
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,480
i would like to welcome to the program

778
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,760
dr lynn kittay doctor how are you this

779
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,679
evening i'm terrific and by the way it's

780
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,080
lynn keating like a key and a touch you

781
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,919
know it's funny you and i talked about

782
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,600
that this week and i still blew it

783
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,760
didn't i yeah that's okay i believe if

784
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,359
you got it right i i would have been

785
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,679
surprised that's why i go under dr lynn

786
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,000
i've been uh called that since i started

787
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,879
my medical communications in 76 actually

788
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,240
in philadelphia

789
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:20,720
i was doing health reporting for nbc

790
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,760
uh in philadelphia with jessica savage

791
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,639
uh

792
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,280
in the 70s and then syndication grew

793
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,280
from that and uh

794
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,040
started here and they were already

795
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,879
showing it in phoenix when we moved here

796
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,599
in 1980 and worked with nbc here and

797
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,679
then usa cable

798
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,000
uh doing health reporting as well

799
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,079
and uh by the mid 80s we're seeing we're

800
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,800
seeing kids drowning in substance abuse

801
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,119
in the practice and uh and i have to

802
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,359
tell you that that's it really woke me

803
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,040
up that it really needed something to

804
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,359
wake them up to the reality of substance

805
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,879
abuse and i started my own company

806
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,200
health education learning programs uh to

807
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,800
produce video and work with curriculum

808
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,280
for the classroom on vital health issues

809
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,280
like aids and teens uh teen pregnancy

810
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,440
and substance abuse prevention education

811
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,960
and i have to tell you jimmy that's why

812
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,800
it's so ironic that this fell in my lap

813
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,800
and i had no interest or knowledge at

814
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,599
all in the topic when my husband was

815
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,839
also a physician and i had a very close

816
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,280
sighting

817
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,880
to our home in 1995 two years before the

818
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,760
mass sighting and i happened to get 35

819
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,320
millimeter photographs and and two years

820
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,079
later the mass sighting happened and

821
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,680
there is so much to this story and so

822
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,760
much missing disinformation out there

823
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,720
that uh as you mentioned at the top um

824
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,640
after the mass sighting when thousands

825
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,160
of people saw what i had been seeing and

826
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,800
documenting on film uh i really felt

827
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,880
obliged to to get to the bottom of it

828
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,040
and find a logical explanation and push

829
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,920
my whole medical career aside actually

830
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,079
for four years uh to try to find a

831
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,000
logical explanation i've yet to find it

832
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,480
17 years later but i ended up with the

833
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,880
750 page journal

834
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,560
that i didn't know what to do with it i

835
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,400
was such compelling that and we can get

836
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,000
into the details of that if you'd like

837
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,880
but um the bottom line is

838
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,560
you know coming from the background that

839
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,560
i in vital health issues

840
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,440
i really felt it was too important not

841
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:12,480
to share

842
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,280
uh

843
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,599
this vital issue well

844
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,839
you just touched upon it so if you don't

845
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,079
mind i would like to touch upon it a

846
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,160
little bit let's back up

847
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,880
when you were you just referred to you

848
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,200
know you had no interest or knowledge of

849
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,160
the subject until all of this happened

850
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,480
so what was your childhood like were

851
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,839
your parents

852
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,640
uh were there uh were they open-minded

853
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,119
was there ever any discussions of this

854
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,440
uh growing up and what was not at all

855
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,280
not all i i have to tell you i was so

856
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,920
busy not only going to school and being

857
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,000
in professional musical theater uh

858
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,680
national touring companies with gordon

859
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,680
mccrain oklahoma and betty grable and

860
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,560
guys and dolls and understudied foreign

861
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,359
music and and actually um

862
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,760
was in uh out to wonderland and on

863
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,680
broadway with sherman hemsley of the

864
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,000
jeffersons and a host of other things

865
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,599
growing up so i was really too little

866
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,440
too busy

867
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,320
think about this topic at all and uh but

868
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,680
on the other other side um uh you know

869
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,359
we can get into this if you'd like i did

870
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,680
have a near-death experience as a child

871
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:19,760
which interestingly enough and this is

872
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,119
just an aside a number of people who

873
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,760
uh saw the phoenix life

874
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,640
also had their near-death experiences as

875
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,200
children reawakened by

876
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,359
the phoenix life experience and that

877
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,520
sent me on a whole new road to try to

878
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,040
find a connection between all

879
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,280
unexplained phenomena that i lay out

880
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,280
pretty uh pretty simply in the book but

881
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,920
it is a fascinating study and i had no

882
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,560
idea that other university-based

883
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
scientists and professors were actually

884
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,800
studying the connection between

885
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,560
near-death experience and out-of-body

886
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,240
experience and unexplained aerial

887
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,320
phenomena what i call an up an

888
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,000
unexplained phenomena

889
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,920
because the experience is very similar

890
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,119
i'm going to be talking about this at

891
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,359
the contact in the desert

892
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,000
conference coming up in august uh but

893
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,640
the after effect is what's most profound

894
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,040
the awakening the enlightenment the

895
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,119
profound positive transformation that

896
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,079
takes place within an individual who who

897
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,400
really experiences an up experience and

898
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,240
we can get into that if if you like but

899
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,800
anyway getting back to your question

900
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,880
uh just really too busy and then going

901
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,280
to medical school of course and doing my

902
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
uh you know community work and which

903
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,200
i've been doing for almost 40 years now

904
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,160
and community education uh vital health

905
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
issues uh and i have to say too that

906
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,640
there was so much and we we deal with

907
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,960
this in the in the film uh in our

908
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,119
award-winning documentary that there is

909
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:45,599
so much fear out there and threat threat

910
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,280
threat um being just uh uh we're

911
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,079
inundated with that so that when we do

912
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,839
finally see something or experience

913
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,400
something that is an extraordinary out

914
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,880
of our box experience uh

915
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,640
some people uh

916
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,240
really get frightened by it in fact

917
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,599
that's happened with the mass sighting

918
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,599
if i can get to that which is very

919
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,480
interesting in real time and long-term

920
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,880
uh changes in people transformation in

921
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,440
people because the uh for anybody out

922
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,560
there that doesn't know about the

923
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,079
phoenix life can i tell them about that

924
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,240
a little bit well actually we're gonna

925
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,119
exactly let's let's actually

926
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,040
uh build this up a little bit more

927
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:25,680
linearly because you had your original

928
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,040
photographs

929
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,520
uh that you had taken off of your back

930
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,480
porch

931
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:33,839
so or shall i say uh

932
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:37,680
backyard or your backyard setup i think

933
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,119
porch is the wrong way to put it but

934
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,119
yeah um that's it

935
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,640
so um

936
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,440
uh

937
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,480
everybody

938
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,960
we've we've got a gallery posted up and

939
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,760
these are some very very very famous

940
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:52,880
pictures

941
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,400
uh they've definitely uh everybody is

942
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,560
very familiar with the photography that

943
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,920
you had taken

944
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
and so

945
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:04,000
uh they're not i it's beautifully laid

946
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,359
out thank you so much for doing that

947
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,960
because we can really get into that

948
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,599
because it is amazing um what what

949
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,119
happened actually and how this

950
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,880
transpired because again i had no

951
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,480
interest or knowledge in the topic at

952
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,720
all and here

953
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,040
uh we live mountainside in paradise

954
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,119
valley which is uh pre we're pretty high

955
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,040
up on the mountain and have a panoramic

956
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,520
view of the city skyline so we're quite

957
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,839
familiar with what planes look like in

958
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,359
helicopters and street lights and car

959
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,920
lights and so forth and uh we're also

960
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,640
nestled in the mountain range so

961
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,520
what we saw there is no way there is no

962
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,160
way this is a no-fly zone uh and it's

963
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:41,839
dangerous for them to fly this area

964
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,280
actually because of the mountains but um

965
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,520
the night actually the night before my

966
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,440
birthday and there's a lot of

967
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,280
coincidences i've come not to believe in

968
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,880
coincidence but

969
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,640
i'm just going to share that as a little

970
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:57,920
aside um my husband was standing at our

971
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,800
wall one wall of our bedroom is a window

972
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,359
and suddenly he calls me out of the bath

973
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,280
get over here quick and and i always go

974
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,359
back to the sighting in 95 two years

975
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,359
before the mass sighting because

976
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,640
we saw these anomalous aerial phenomena

977
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,359
up close and personal and we're talking

978
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:17,760
just less than 100 yards from our home

979
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,040
there were three amber orbs in a purim

980
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,319
information about 50 75 feet off of a

981
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,560
very treacherous downslope

982
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:30,079
uh of the mountain now this these are

983
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:30,880
in

984
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,960
the bottom row correct well actually let

985
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,119
me let me start out with the first one

986
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,400
um because uh let me get that up uh the

987
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,800
first picture there shows a topography

988
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,880
and and uh if you're not on your site

989
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,040
this is also on the photo page in the

990
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,960
phoenixflights.net

991
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,359
uh the phoenix lights network website

992
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,000
um i wanted to show people that the view

993
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,240
from our balconies they can really get a

994
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,400
feel for it because there's some uh

995
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,319
other serendipitous things that happened

996
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,960
uh with that as well but so is this

997
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,839
looking is this looking sound this is

998
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,400
the thing okay towards the airport right

999
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,960
and the the uh the left

1000
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,440
mountain is south mountain and some

1001
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,880
miles back

1002
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,880
uh are the australian mountain ranges

1003
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,400
that's number one

1004
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,800
so lincoln road lincoln road is like

1005
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,760
right below your house not for right

1006
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,400
right and uh and actually you can see a

1007
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,480
car on the road there

1008
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,520
um with we've w and i put that there

1009
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,200
picture there because you can see how

1010
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,319
the light reflects outside um from the

1011
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,480
from the car lights and also to the

1012
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,400
right of that there's actually

1013
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,440
uh a row of skylights and a home down

1014
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,560
the street

1015
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,119
um which you'll see consistently in in

1016
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,880
the picture so it gives you a taste of

1017
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,800
the topography

1018
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,800
but just getting getting back to the end

1019
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,079
and that's where

1020
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,599
south mountain and the australians

1021
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,680
intersect if you can see that okay now

1022
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,400
how close are you to jordy hormel's

1023
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,920
compound from not far not far miles away

1024
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,680
right two miles away yeah see i know

1025
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:09,359
phoenix pretty good do you like that are

1026
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,030
that hormel pad that compound

1027
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,319
is that's huge yes that's okay so now

1028
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,640
but anyway so um what's what's

1029
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,560
interesting is that

1030
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,839
uh

1031
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,000
six months before the mass sighting and

1032
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,920
i want to share this because if i may

1033
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,400
because this is so part and parcel of

1034
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,960
the whole phoenix lights experience and

1035
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,640
important to to

1036
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,680
to raise awareness that uh indigenous

1037
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,680
cultures are very open to these

1038
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,520
phenomena and they have been for

1039
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,200
centuries and what was interesting i had

1040
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,240
no idea i was actually um

1041
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,920
invited six months before the mass

1042
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,079
sighting to prevent my substance abuse

1043
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,079
prevention education program to the gila

1044
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,480
bend indian uh reservation which is

1045
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,560
actually in the basin in between

1046
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,480
southbound and the estrellas

1047
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,839
and

1048
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,359
after the mass sighting i started

1049
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,119
looking at my photographs

1050
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,520
and became aware that these phenomena

1051
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,440
kept popping up in that area so i gave

1052
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,599
them a call and they usually don't share

1053
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,599
with outsiders but i had you know become

1054
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,440
friendly with them and help them out and

1055
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,040
they were very forthcoming and i i

1056
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,640
called up and i i said did anybody

1057
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,640
happen to see strange lights

1058
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,119
uh on march 13th

1059
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,359
and they started to giggle and i said is

1060
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,480
that funny

1061
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,839
and they said are you kidding we've been

1062
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,440
looking up at them for centuries we call

1063
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,680
them sky people light beings and it's

1064
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,000
part of their culture they they welcome

1065
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,920
them in fact the the hopi right here in

1066
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,079
arizona have protocols to invite these

1067
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,800
phenomena in and and they shared with me

1068
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,760
as well

1069
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,760
that there are petroglyphs

1070
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,520
right on south mountain and the

1071
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,319
estrellas that are identical not only to

1072
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,000
what my husband and i saw right outside

1073
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,560
our bedroom window which i'll get to um

1074
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,710
south mountain is right on the other

1075
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,040
side of tempe correct well actually it's

1076
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,520
right it's just south of the airport

1077
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,680
just south of the airport i had i had

1078
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,200
some friends of mine tell me about those

1079
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,119
petroglyphs on south mountain

1080
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,119
when we were in tempe and they were

1081
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,480
saying it's just it's right down the

1082
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,000
road man if you want to go check these

1083
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,400
out yeah it's amazing and i also have

1084
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,720
the boomerang there as well which is

1085
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,960
really interesting but what what's even

1086
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,560
more interesting is that that's how the

1087
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,200
estrellas got its name i had no idea the

1088
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,440
spaniards of the day heard these stories

1089
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,920
about these orbs that would frequent

1090
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,720
these mountain ranges and uh and they

1091
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,319
named the the mountain range the

1092
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,560
estrellas meaning star in spanish and

1093
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,319
what's even more profound is that they

1094
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,640
believe in that area that there is a

1095
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,520
portal or a gateway in that area and if

1096
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,880
you look at my pictures and i'm not

1097
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,480
saying there definitely is but if you

1098
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,040
look at the photographs you'll see that

1099
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,000
they consistently um these phenomena

1100
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,400
consistently pop up in in that area but

1101
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,880
anyway going back to the to the 95

1102
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:00,960
fighting

1103
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:03,839
we i rushed to the window and here we

1104
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,920
both see these orbs about 50 75 feet off

1105
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,880
the ground and this is this is behind a

1106
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:11,920
gated

1107
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,000
private uh home and uh you know i looked

1108
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,520
underneath to see if anybody was there

1109
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,599
and it was totally black

1110
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,160
but i didn't move and you'll find this

1111
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,839
happens with people over and over again

1112
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,920
when they see something extraordinary

1113
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,280
and you know people say why didn't

1114
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,960
people get cameras well

1115
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,640
you don't move you don't know how long

1116
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,960
it's going to last and for for me i

1117
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,960
tried to take everything in mentally the

1118
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,880
size shape the color they were about

1119
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,040
three to six feet each

1120
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,680
they were oval shaped like an egg on its

1121
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,359
side and there were three distinct

1122
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,760
objects one on top and two closely

1123
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,200
aligned underneath

1124
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,839
and the color within each orb and i call

1125
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,119
it an orb

1126
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,119
because the light did not extend outside

1127
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,280
the edge it was self-contained

1128
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,240
and it was a uniform amber color

1129
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,400
throughout it was just mesmerizing

1130
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,920
beautiful and

1131
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,680
it didn't glare at all i have to tell

1132
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,520
you i noticed that immediately every

1133
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,280
other light out there glared half lights

1134
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,599
car light street lights these did not

1135
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:12,000
glare and i thought to myself

1136
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,200
if i don't get a picture of this

1137
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,880
nobody's going to believe it and i go

1138
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,760
running to the closet to grab my uh 35

1139
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,599
millimeter camera which i have handy to

1140
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,280
take the beautiful sunsets i collect sun

1141
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,640
says here and um and my husband calls me

1142
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,000
back and he says get over here quick one

1143
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,760
of them is disappearing

1144
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,079
and as we watch and again i always go

1145
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,599
back to the sighting because it's just

1146
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,599
so ingrained in my brain

1147
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:35,760
the top orb

1148
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,359
without budging and we had two sons okay

1149
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,319
then uh we we did watch star trek and

1150
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,079
because it was wonderful messages and

1151
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,599
the the only thing that popped in my

1152
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,319
head while i was watching this because i

1153
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,880
i was trying to see if it moved or if it

1154
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,680
wavers like the romulan cloaking device

1155
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,920
right but it seemed it seemed like it

1156
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,760
was cloaking it was like

1157
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,160
a dimmer switch it was mechanical like

1158
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,920
there was an intelligence behind it it

1159
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,720
started getting smaller very slowly

1160
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,960
smaller and smaller and smaller and

1161
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,960
smaller until it was a p size and then

1162
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,200
disappeared but i have to admit and i

1163
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,800
did not admit this to anyone until after

1164
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,079
the mass sighting

1165
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,119
that it seemed like it was still there

1166
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,800
even though we didn't see it anymore

1167
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,599
where did it go okay so we're we're

1168
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,839
we're getting maybe inter-dimensional

1169
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,760
into the mix but anyway jump out on the

1170
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,000
balcony got a picture the two lower orbs

1171
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:29,920
now that's the second picture there

1172
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,760
right in that row um and immediately

1173
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:36,640
noticed an eerie silence as if time had

1174
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,319
stopped it was just bizarre and as as

1175
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,319
intently as i was watching these two

1176
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,040
lower orbs and i was totally focused on

1177
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,680
them it felt like something was watching

1178
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,559
me

1179
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,880
and again i have to admit that going

1180
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,200
through my head at that moment i thought

1181
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,880
who are you what are you do you know

1182
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,880
that i'm here i'd love to meet you

1183
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,960
and the next thing i remember

1184
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,079
the left bottom orb started to implode

1185
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,599
and get smaller and smaller just like

1186
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:05,760
the top one did and that's the third

1187
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,200
picture there which is amazing because i

1188
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,760
happen to catch it in motion and this is

1189
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,599
like a you know an instant canon and

1190
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,640
somatic you know 35 millimeter camera

1191
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,760
caught this

1192
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,839
as it was disappearing and that was the

1193
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,599
only one that turned out at the time but

1194
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,839
for me it was confirmatory that

1195
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,520
something really

1196
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,240
extraordinary happened that i had a you

1197
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,000
know documentation of it but i didn't

1198
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,599
even know who to show it to i have to

1199
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,760
tell you jimmy i knew no one who was

1200
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,079
involved with the topic so

1201
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,920
i wondered for two years what this

1202
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,079
advanced technology and that's all i can

1203
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,160
say i mean it was definitely advanced

1204
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,400
technology with an intelligence behind

1205
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:46,800
it uh was doing outside our bedroom

1206
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,599
window and i thought maybe i'd never

1207
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,920
find out well well let me ask you a

1208
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,160
question doctor if i can really quickly

1209
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,079
and do you prefer doctor can we go with

1210
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,920
lynn your doc doctor

1211
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,440
dr lynn okay

1212
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,160
um going back to the

1213
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,319
picture number one which shows the

1214
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,599
topography in the mountains in the

1215
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,599
distance and i'm glad you have that the

1216
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:10,839
reference with the skylights

1217
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,319
below is excellent now looking at these

1218
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,280
orbs how far

1219
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,839
away were the orbs

1220
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,880
uh from your house it was it was working

1221
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,720
they've been measured by the way by dr

1222
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,359
bruce mcafee um who really got onto the

1223
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,800
case and we can talk about that a little

1224
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,480
bit because he came to an unbelievable

1225
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,800
conclusion

1226
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,599
and last picture but um

1227
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,480
he he estimated i you know again

1228
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:39,920
depending on how close they were they

1229
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,280
were close and and you know as as a a

1230
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,200
very conservative estimate it was about

1231
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,880
a hundred yards oh really okay

1232
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,880
okay because the distance everybody

1233
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,720
should understand in this first picture

1234
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,880
you're looking at you know phoenix

1235
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,480
proper here

1236
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,760
um outside of her house overlooking and

1237
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:00,640
if you

1238
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,559
out there's a mountain range where her

1239
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,720
house is sitting on that's basically

1240
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,440
camelback mountain and then all the way

1241
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
over that's the other mountain range

1242
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,559
that's on the other side of phoenix so

1243
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,480
what you're looking at here

1244
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:17,599
um downtown phoenix is to the right

1245
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,359
uh to the left is mesa arizona and tempe

1246
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,760
yeah and tempe and this is where

1247
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,160
mccarran airport is

1248
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,839
and it's um and uh indian school road

1249
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,880
lincoln

1250
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,880
um these are all the streets that go

1251
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,280
from east to west and that's basically

1252
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,440
what you're looking over

1253
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,119
here is is

1254
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,599
i guess you would call it east phoenix i

1255
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,760
would think right it's kind of because

1256
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,079
you have the freeway here and and and

1257
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,400
stuff and the interchange which all is

1258
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,400
off to the right but that's what you're

1259
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,880
looking at is a large chunk of phoenix

1260
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,280
out of this window so that's the that's

1261
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,920
the lay of the land so when i'm asking

1262
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,160
how far are these orbs

1263
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,079
you know they're not across the mountain

1264
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,839
range on the other side of phoenix and

1265
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,559
that's my business

1266
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,280
but but what's really interesting that

1267
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,000
and this was until a year after the mass

1268
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:13,359
sighting if you wanted to stick with

1269
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,559
these pictures

1270
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,440
um when i finally did have them analyzed

1271
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,160
i went to extremely to have uh my

1272
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,960
photographic evidence uh explained to me

1273
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,200
uh at university level university of

1274
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,319
arizona optical science department um

1275
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,720
the conscious associate department asu

1276
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,559
arizona state university geology

1277
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,480
anthropology mathematics anthropology

1278
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,559
department as well as the brooks

1279
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:38,319
institute of photography and navy

1280
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,000
optical physicist uh dr bruce mcafee and

1281
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,960
um what what he did actually which i

1282
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,680
didn't even realize um i would have

1283
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,240
never realized is he took these and i'm

1284
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,720
getting very ahead of myself but because

1285
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,800
this was after a year after the mass

1286
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,280
sighting um when we had another sighting

1287
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,559
here in 98 that was pretty amazing and

1288
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,359
and fabulous and we had four people at

1289
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,359
station that four different you know

1290
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,280
areas north south east and west and we

1291
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,000
caught a a forty mile

1292
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,920
uh half hour

1293
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,000
array that of straight lines and mirror

1294
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,760
images and uh the final uh thing was the

1295
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,920
the uh triangle which again was in the

1296
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,800
same location and that one is the on the

1297
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,559
second row that's the third picture in

1298
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,640
the second row but getting back to the

1299
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,640
to the two uh pictures there the second

1300
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:30,319
and third you'll see arrows in the

1301
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,440
background

1302
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,079
well doctor dr mcafee called and said

1303
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,680
you know how long

1304
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,800
was that sighting in 95 and i said a

1305
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,359
couple minutes he said are you sure i

1306
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,760
said i said that's what it seemed he

1307
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:46,000
said ask your husband and interestingly

1308
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,960
enough

1309
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,200
um while i was

1310
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,800
but the whole thing was wondrous and

1311
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,640
awesome and incredible my husband

1312
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,720
wouldn't really talk about it at all so

1313
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,119
i told him that and he said uh you know

1314
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,720
everybody reacts different to two

1315
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,119
different things and he said well he's

1316
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,119
got to confirm and i sat him down this

1317
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,680
is like you know two years three years

1318
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,640
later four years later almost and he you

1319
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,400
know he confirmed he said two or three

1320
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,160
minutes maybe four

1321
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:14,079
and i went back to dr mcmahon he said

1322
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:15,520
that's impossible i said what do you

1323
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,480
mean

1324
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,599
and by the way this this study is is on

1325
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,359
the website the phoenixslates.net for

1326
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,440
anyone that wants to read the twenty one

1327
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,839
page report which uh

1328
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,400
dr maccabee ultimately presented at the

1329
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,400
1999

1330
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:33,680
mufon mutual ufo network international

1331
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,880
uh symposium in washington dc and i just

1332
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,880
shared it for the first time in the the

1333
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,280
latest edition of my book i i i still

1334
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,280
can't wrap my head around this but

1335
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,880
uh he said that's impossible he said

1336
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:46,720
well first of all if you look in the

1337
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,800
background

1338
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,760
and you're gonna see in the other

1339
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,400
pictures it's consistent as well the

1340
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,640
same exact phenomena are in the

1341
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,000
background

1342
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:58,079
disappearing when the close orbs are

1343
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,280
disappearing

1344
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,920
as i would also capture on

1345
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,599
uh video

1346
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,599
during the mass sighting

1347
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,400
and

1348
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,640
that i would have never noticed so the

1349
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,599
same phenomena was here in 95

1350
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,680
that i would capture again not only

1351
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,440
during the mass sighting

1352
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,280
on march thirteen nineteen ninety seven

1353
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,880
but two months before and i'll get to

1354
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,720
that one that was an amazing amazing

1355
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,800
sighting but anyway just to finish this

1356
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,359
off uh he says to me that's that's you

1357
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,839
know impactful enough he says but look

1358
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,839
at the skyline i said okay

1359
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,160
he says there are many

1360
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,200
more lights on in the first picture

1361
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:36,400
and this is the first in the last

1362
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,800
picture that i had that are that are on

1363
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,040
in the last picture he said and we're

1364
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,559
talking groups of lights he says that

1365
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240
doesn't happen in a couple of minutes he

1366
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,480
said i'd like you to do an experiment he

1367
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,760
said i'd like to stand out on the

1368
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,720
balcony and probably the same spot

1369
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,440
and try to take the city skyline uh one

1370
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,520
night every uh hour the next night every

1371
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,760
half hour and i actually did it every 15

1372
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,079
minutes another night and see when the

1373
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,559
groups of lights start going out well i

1374
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,280
usually take a a bath uh when we're home

1375
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,520
between seven and eight

1376
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,440
so let's be conservative and say the

1377
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:11,359
starting point is eight o'clock

1378
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,119
and uh when we did this experiment the

1379
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:17,359
groups of late started going out at nine

1380
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,319
o'clock

1381
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:19,760
and the last

1382
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,559
picture is indicative of 10 30 11

1383
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,520
o'clock

1384
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,960
now again

1385
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,040
you know i couldn't even wrap my head

1386
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,559
around what he was saying he said could

1387
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,240
be mind if i present this case at the

1388
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,000
mufun international symposium coming up

1389
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,640
in 1999 i said hey this is your baby i

1390
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,720
would have never ever

1391
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,799
realized any of this or noticed any of

1392
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,200
this um just keep my name out of it and

1393
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,520
i have to tell you jimmy i was really i

1394
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,960
really did not want to come forward i

1395
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,880
stayed anonymous for seven years but

1396
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:49,280
anyway he was kind enough to present the

1397
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:52,640
case without indicating who was from

1398
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,760
as the first photographic evidence and

1399
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,000
perhaps the only that we know of

1400
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,559
authenticated photographic evidence of

1401
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,640
missing time

1402
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,760
and he did a meticulous meticulous study

1403
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,000
of the first picture in the last picture

1404
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,559
and so anyway so add that to the mix i

1405
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,160
just wanted to throw that in there the

1406
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,839
of the first and and the last picture

1407
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,559
from 95 but i always go back to that

1408
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,400
sighting no matter what anybody says

1409
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,920
about flares and blimps and uh chinese

1410
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,880
lanterns or whatever because um i saw

1411
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,880
this up close and personal but then two

1412
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:29,440
years later

1413
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,200
it wasn't until january of 97

1414
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,440
that i noticed three orbs giant orbs to

1415
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,280
the west in the line

1416
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:41,200
and i'm looking at them and i thought

1417
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,319
wait a minute now these are at a

1418
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:43,359
distance

1419
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:44,240
okay

1420
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,280
and

1421
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,440
they're in a line formation equidistant

1422
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
from each other

1423
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,480
their amber

1424
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,559
they're hovering from per minute

1425
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:55,119
and each one from right to left started

1426
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,440
to implode very very slowly and from

1427
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,440
right to left and they were out didn't

1428
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,520
think more about it this was uh january

1429
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,720
twenty second

1430
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,000
the next night my husband was at a

1431
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,599
medical board meeting he was on several

1432
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,160
hospital and and state medical boards

1433
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,119
and i noticed that eight o'clock

1434
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,359
that the same three lights are now in

1435
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,359
front of south mountain now if you can

1436
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,520
take a look at that picture there's red

1437
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,440
blinking lights you're there yeah i'm

1438
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,520
one i'm looking at red blinking lights

1439
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,720
and i don't know if they're in that that

1440
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,480
picture specifically but there are red

1441
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,079
blinking lights on south mountain

1442
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,880
warning planes coming into sky harbor

1443
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,119
and these three lights were below them

1444
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,359
that definitely and i thought to myself

1445
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,200
okay enough i'm getting this on video

1446
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,720
and i grabbed my video camera got

1447
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,839
outside

1448
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,760
got about 18 seconds worth the battery

1449
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,359
goes dead

1450
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,480
of course

1451
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,880
i guess and by the way it was charged i

1452
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,440
go inside i i hook up the battery i go

1453
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,119
outside they're gone

1454
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,640
about a half hour later about eight

1455
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,240
thirty my husband comes up the drive and

1456
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,480
i go outside and i i said honey remember

1457
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,559
when i saw you know i told you i saw

1458
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,520
three

1459
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,000
orbs in a row far west last night well

1460
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,680
about a half an hour ago they were right

1461
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,680
in front of south mountain and as i'm

1462
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,599
pointing with my hand

1463
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,079
they reappeared in the same spot it was

1464
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,640
freaky okay and i thought oh my goodness

1465
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,160
i've got to get a picture there so i ran

1466
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,359
upstairs

1467
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,359
and again i believe everything happens

1468
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,839
for a reason now because video

1469
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,680
that they look very different in video

1470
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,440
they're much smaller they're white they

1471
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,400
flicker

1472
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,480
and they can't really be analyzed i mean

1473
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,000
you can certainly tell the difference

1474
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,480
between them and and flares but because

1475
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,799
of the the the formations themselves are

1476
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,359
very compelling but 35 millimeter can

1477
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,440
actually be analyzed and i grab my 35

1478
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,319
millimeter i get outside on the balcony

1479
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,640
and i'm ready to shoot the three as i'm

1480
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,440
ready to shoot the three suddenly six

1481
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:48,000
pop up on top of the three massive span

1482
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,520
over a mile wide it was it was scary i

1483
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,359
have to tell you i mean not having an

1484
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,440
explanation for the ninety five sighting

1485
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,960
the first thought was oh my goodness

1486
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,520
it's a mother ship or a fleet and i you

1487
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,880
can see in that picture it's kind of

1488
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,440
wavy because i was shaking right i was

1489
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,839
shaking and i tried to hold the still as

1490
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,000
i could and i started clicking away

1491
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,119
and unbeknownst to me i mean as a as as

1492
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,920
the ores were disappearing underneath

1493
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:15,680
this thing was turning

1494
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,119
into a v-shape okay and i ran inside and

1495
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,799
i quickly called the arizona republic

1496
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:22,079
newspaper and i said you gotta get

1497
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,599
somebody out there quick there's there's

1498
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,960
some strange lights in front of south

1499
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,280
mountain can you tell me what they are

1500
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,880
and by the time i finish the sentence

1501
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,240
they were born

1502
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,839
well i have to admit jimmy i did not

1503
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,599
sleep well that day and i got up in the

1504
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,280
morning i figured hey

1505
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,200
there must be a logical explanation for

1506
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,720
this i'll just turn it out somebody's

1507
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,760
going to know what they were that was

1508
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,079
massive a massive span of these of these

1509
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,640
equidistant lights and i uh first called

1510
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,720
the arizona republic again and i said

1511
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,720
did anybody call last night to report

1512
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:50,000
strange lights in front of south

1513
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,880
mountain

1514
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,559
the lady gets off she gets right back on

1515
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,559
he said no nobody called well i know i

1516
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,440
called okay so i said well look you know

1517
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,960
my husband and i did see something

1518
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:00,799
strange i'm sure there's a logical

1519
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,680
explanation i just like to find out what

1520
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,760
that what that is and she said well

1521
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:07,599
sometimes luke air force base which is

1522
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,000
not too far from here in the west um

1523
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,400
uh you know some sense sometimes sends

1524
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,599
out uh

1525
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,960
experimental maneuvers and they don't

1526
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,240
tell the public about them and that

1527
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,799
sounded reasonable so i called luke

1528
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,520
and as soon as the operator on the phone

1529
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,599
i i try to be professional my husband

1530
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,599
and i are both physicians we the

1531
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,760
mountainside in paradise valley and uh

1532
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,200
we saw some strange lights in front of

1533
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,480
south mountain last night do you know

1534
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,160
what they might have been and from the

1535
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,280
get-go

1536
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,119
she was adamant she

1537
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,319
didn't come in to look air force

1538
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,079
basically didn't come out from here so

1539
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,319
they we had nothing to do with them

1540
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,640
okay did it sound like [\h__\h]

1541
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,359
yeah did it sound like she had uh had a

1542
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,599
few phone calls that day about this i

1543
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,680
presume that she did i don't know i

1544
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,359
don't know but she really was not she

1545
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,160
was she was she was not friendly okay

1546
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,160
and you want to hear about it and i said

1547
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,240
well you know i'd like to sleep tonight

1548
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,920
and i know something happened i actually

1549
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,240
got pictures of it um could you tell me

1550
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,920
who i can call and she says well you

1551
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,599
said it was near the airport so maybe

1552
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,440
somebody saw something there so now it

1553
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,000
was a mission okay so now i i really had

1554
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,520
to get to the bottom of it and i called

1555
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,559
the faa at the airport at the phoenix uh

1556
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,240
international airport

1557
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,400
and uh they were very nice and they said

1558
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,079
well maybe some of the air tracker

1559
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,680
controller saw something last night i

1560
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:25,359
said i said great would you mind asking

1561
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,160
them

1562
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:27,839
she gets off the phone

1563
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,079
i left me hanging for like five minutes

1564
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,599
finally gets on she says well actually

1565
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,440
there was a group here last night of air

1566
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,720
traffic controllers that saw some

1567
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,400
strange lights i said oh could i please

1568
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,480
talk to one of the proverbs or some of

1569
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,280
them

1570
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:41,920
and finally uh this guy gets on the

1571
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,480
phone and he's a real low key guy jimmy

1572
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,720
i mean just mellow guy

1573
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:48,799
and he gets on the phone he was more

1574
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,750
success he said

1575
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,240
when they popped on now now keep in mind

1576
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,839
and he was very forthcoming they all

1577
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,599
were very forthcoming i talked to a few

1578
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,200
of them uh

1579
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,799
they it appeared over class b restricted

1580
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,880
airspace at a thousand feet altitude now

1581
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,119
we're talking a thirty mile radius

1582
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,799
around the center of the airport that

1583
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,520
anyone that goes into that radius

1584
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,680
especially a thousand feet

1585
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,160
has to call the tower and no one did so

1586
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,520
of course they were alarmed so they

1587
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,160
immediately looked on radar did not show

1588
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:30,000
up on radar so they took their

1589
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,520
binoculars to look in the meantime

1590
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,799
they're trying to figure out what the

1591
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:34,079
heck they could be

1592
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,359
and they're ruling out every

1593
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,079
conventional thing you can think of and

1594
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,960
in their own description

1595
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,480
what they said were there were six

1596
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:44,880
points of light totally equidistant from

1597
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,160
each other massive span over a mile wide

1598
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,119
that seemed to be attached to something

1599
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:54,160
or had a force field in between each

1600
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:55,039
light

1601
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:01,440
was a meteorologist and said it actually

1602
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:05,200
turned against the wind as a unit

1603
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,240
and then elevated slowly and went slowly

1604
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,520
behind

1605
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,240
south mountain in synchrony so i said so

1606
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,760
what was it

1607
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,599
and they were silenced and then one of

1608
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:17,280
them said beats me i said your air

1609
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,559
traffic controllers you're supposed to

1610
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,000
know it's in our airspace and you don't

1611
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,920
know what they were right professional

1612
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,760
sky watchers and they ruled out

1613
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,359
everything i mean from flares to

1614
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,119
balloons to

1615
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,280
chinese lanterns whatever i mean any

1616
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,799
conventional um aircraft whatever even

1617
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,440
even skydivers with lights i mean all

1618
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,039
over the above

1619
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,280
and so we kept in contact i continued

1620
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,680
photographing these things up into and

1621
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,920
including march 13th for me it was

1622
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,160
another night okay well let's let me

1623
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,280
stop you uh before we get to to the

1624
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,240
evening of march 13th uh what

1625
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,119
up to this point what starts going

1626
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,520
through your mind i mean

1627
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,079
first i mean do you have that i i must

1628
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:02,720
be going crazy thoughts or

1629
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,240
or are you thinking possibly

1630
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,760
extraterrestrial you know what

1631
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,359
what is going through the good doctor's

1632
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,359
mind and your husbands too for that well

1633
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,039
that you know that that is a very

1634
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,960
interesting question because

1635
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,440
being a physician you must be open to

1636
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,280
things you must be open-minded and by

1637
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,039
the way that's the first step in all of

1638
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,599
this to be open-minded i have i've

1639
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,640
always been a healthy skeptic but i i've

1640
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,799
you know i gotta see it to believe it

1641
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,680
but i've also been open to things if you

1642
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,839
close yourself off yeah uh you know you

1643
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:36,079
close yourself off to so much uh out

1644
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,480
there but um you know to answer your

1645
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,559
question uh when we were seeing these

1646
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,799
lights i mean in the book i i go through

1647
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,799
some of the some of the process actually

1648
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,039
and it's helped other people transform

1649
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,960
and and you know because as a physician

1650
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,319
that was one of the reasons i came

1651
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,640
forward as well not only to share as an

1652
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,559
educator and the scientist the data

1653
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:57,359
which speaks for itself um but as a

1654
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,400
physician

1655
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,720
uh you know you realize after having

1656
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,640
experience like this that there are

1657
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,720
millions of people out there

1658
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,559
who have had experience even though

1659
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,480
those things can be explained only a

1660
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,599
small percentage of anomalies cannot but

1661
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,079
but when someone has an extraordinary

1662
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,079
experience like this

1663
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,200
it's real to them and if you don't share

1664
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,520
it it festers it's not healthy and so

1665
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,200
many people have been afraid to share

1666
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,200
because it's there's so much ridicule

1667
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,760
and criticism i mean myself included i

1668
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,359
mean i stayed anonymous for seven years

1669
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,520
we can get into that whole thing but uh

1670
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,440
and a lot of soul searching before i

1671
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,319
came forward 750 page journal later

1672
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,640
because well i'll get to that once once

1673
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,480
the mass sighting happened i kept an

1674
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,119
intricate journal but going back to the

1675
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,480
to um before the mass sighting uh you

1676
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,400
know i i have some of the conversations

1677
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,319
with my husband and i in the in the in

1678
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,760
the book which are kind of comical

1679
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,440
because he would make jokes out of it

1680
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,440
and i was taking it really seriously i

1681
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,200
have to tell you for whatever reason it

1682
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,680
just fascinated me and i had to get out

1683
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,599
there and take pictures of it and then

1684
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:03,359
ultimately and this is another

1685
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:04,640
coincidence

1686
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,000
a couple weeks before the mass sighting

1687
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,599
uh and this is how close i was to

1688
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:12,480
anybody that knew this topic uh i i

1689
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,079
started showing the video and again the

1690
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,160
video doesn't do it justice but the the

1691
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,839
formations are really compelling if you

1692
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,400
actually look at it and i started

1693
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,240
showing them to my friends and if a

1694
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,920
friend of a friend

1695
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,640
had a neighbor who had a friend

1696
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:28,480
who knew the past president of mufon

1697
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,079
mutual ufo network so i called him up

1698
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,680
and i told him that i had been seeing

1699
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:35,119
these lights and he hadn't heard about

1700
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,319
it but i have to tell you there were

1701
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,520
other people

1702
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,280
not only that were seeing them but also

1703
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,440
photographing them for days before and

1704
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,280
there was a big sighting the day before

1705
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,440
our mass sighting on march 13th up at

1706
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,359
the navajo range and that's a whole

1707
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:48,880
other thing and they thought that would

1708
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,799
be like the big news and then you know

1709
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,119
certainly our mass sighting uh eclipse

1710
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,720
that so people that just focus on the

1711
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:56,079
march thirteenth

1712
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,240
don't know the story okay um because

1713
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,079
there were many things going on for

1714
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,039
weeks before but um but any but any rate

1715
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,760
i make an appointment with a field he

1716
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,440
hooks me up with a field investigator

1717
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,480
for the following week on wednesday uh

1718
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,640
he calls on tuesday to say that the then

1719
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,480
state director

1720
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,760
tom taylor

1721
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,359
uh couldn't be there because his mom had

1722
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,520
passed on saturday could we postpone and

1723
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:21,600
the funeral was out wednesday

1724
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,839
so i you know the only window of

1725
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,600
opportunity i had for like two three

1726
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,679
weeks at the time was friday morning at

1727
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,520
ten o'clock he said fine

1728
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,319
well thursday was another night for me i

1729
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,719
mean here i see one lonely about eight

1730
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:37,359
twenty and in retrospect and this was

1731
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,239
far west in a distance and in retrospect

1732
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:42,560
that was when the first official call

1733
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:46,319
came in from a retired police uh officer

1734
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:49,040
in paulden arizona although

1735
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,480
after we really got into the

1736
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,480
investigation there were people seeing

1737
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,480
daylight site sightings at through from

1738
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,159
three o'clock in the afternoon on march

1739
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,239
thirteen and they were also seeing the

1740
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,480
same phenomena in new mexico at five

1741
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:02,799
thirty and in california at seven

1742
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,520
o'clock but the first official call came

1743
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,480
in

1744
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,120
that the media picked up on at at 8 20

1745
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:10,640
so that would compute that's when i saw

1746
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,759
that one light far northwest

1747
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,000
about not not quite an hour later little

1748
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,719
after nine o'clock i see one lone light

1749
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,799
far south and it was kind of weird

1750
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,080
because usually they would be in the

1751
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,000
same area when i would see them but this

1752
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,080
was like a total difference place in the

1753
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,880
sky and that's actually when

1754
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,839
uh

1755
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:31,359
thousands of people were seeing these

1756
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,359
phenomena uh down in tucson and um and

1757
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,279
we're watching the nine o'clock news and

1758
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,839
suddenly uh they they have the ad for

1759
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,000
the for the ten o'clock news coming up

1760
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:44,960
about a quarter of or so and i see the

1761
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,239
same exact six flights pop up in a line

1762
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,000
that i saw two months before and if you

1763
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,080
look at those pictures by the way you'll

1764
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:53,920
see that i caught it i mean they're

1765
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,040
miraculous actually uh in january of 97

1766
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,440
i caught this thing head-on and then

1767
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:01,120
turning into a v when it was turning

1768
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,480
against the wind as the air traffic

1769
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,560
controller said but anyway those

1770
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,000
pictures didn't turn out at the time i

1771
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,719
was told they were blank so i was really

1772
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,199
excited that i could get out there and

1773
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,960
at least get video of this by the time i

1774
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,440
got out there and focus the camera

1775
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,040
there were three lights that looked like

1776
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,000
the endpoints of a

1777
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,440
massive mile wide uh triangle rv

1778
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,280
and i was excited that i had something

1779
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,760
on video to show the uh mufon

1780
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:29,679
investigator the next morning and i walk

1781
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:30,400
in

1782
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,199
night

1783
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,719
and i said well i i saw something

1784
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,800
similar to two months ago he said in the

1785
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,960
same spot by the way and i call the air

1786
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,480
traffic controllers they confirmed it

1787
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,400
was the same exact phenomenon

1788
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,719
in the same occupation over class b

1789
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,560
restricted airspace during the mass

1790
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,560
sighting when i was photographing them

1791
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,640
and he said no no you don't understand

1792
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,040
uh hundreds if not thousands of people

1793
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:58,239
saw these orbs and deformation and craft

1794
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,320
and uh ch and the the nbc uh was going

1795
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,719
to be there to interview him in a half

1796
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,280
an hour i said whoa oh god out of here i

1797
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,920
said i worked for nbc in the early 80s

1798
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,440
doing health reporting here they might

1799
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,120
know who i am and i don't want to get

1800
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,360
involved with this at all um you know

1801
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:16,800
it's not about me and it's never been

1802
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,920
about me again i it's about the data

1803
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,440
and if i can be a voice of people

1804
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,199
actually look at the data then i've done

1805
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,280
my job but it but anyway at that point i

1806
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,080
said why did you just take a a copy of

1807
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,000
the video i'd like people to see what we

1808
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,679
saw and then they can decide for

1809
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,320
themselves and share with the media and

1810
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,880
goodbye so what happened did you did you

1811
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,719
go to bed early is that how you missed

1812
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,880
it

1813
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,280
the the the mass wave

1814
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:46,400
no i i've got i actually have one of the

1815
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,600
handful of video from that night there's

1816
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,960
only a handful of videos right right

1817
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,640
there's only two or three i thought you

1818
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,560
just said there's four actually there's

1819
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,560
four there's five well isn't it i don't

1820
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,520
know it was it was uh i i thought the

1821
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,000
820 right and i saw the i didn't see a

1822
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,600
craft like other people didn't i'll get

1823
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:06,400
to that in a second um and i saw one

1824
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:07,920
shortly after nine o'clock when they

1825
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:10,159
were seeing these phenomena in tucson

1826
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,920
and then um in nine o'clock hour uh i

1827
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,679
did the same thing popped up that had

1828
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,520
popped up two months before and i got

1829
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,960
that on video and that's exactly what

1830
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:20,800
people described statewide i mean we're

1831
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,840
talking um you know the end point of a

1832
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,600
giant beer triangle and if you look at

1833
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,679
the second picture

1834
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,159
in that series of six it's really really

1835
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,679
important two months before the mass

1836
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:34,560
sighting right that's exactly what most

1837
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,920
people describe five lights in a row or

1838
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,480
a deformation with two trailing

1839
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,400
you can you know if you listen to radio

1840
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,400
programs tv programs in the people say

1841
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,239
that over and over again and i caught

1842
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,320
that two months before the mass sighting

1843
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,920
right that's really important people

1844
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,000
don't realize that this thing was around

1845
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,920
but at any rate um so i leave okay

1846
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:57,360
and i

1847
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,840
by 4 30 that that next day

1848
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,400
the first news that came on with

1849
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,280
anything about the phoenix flights okay

1850
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,040
had my video on it

1851
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,640
they were showing my video because he

1852
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,159
had given my video to all the news

1853
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:14,480
people and by nine o'clock i mean it was

1854
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,920
really exciting i have to say jimmy i

1855
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,199
mean after seeing these things for a

1856
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,280
couple years and not knowing what we're

1857
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,719
dealing with and then learn that

1858
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,640
thousands of people saw it but what we

1859
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:24,880
had been seeing it was pretty exciting

1860
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,360
and by the nine o'clock news

1861
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,920
um a couple other videos came out one of

1862
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,400
them is spectacular it is a it is a an

1863
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,040
arrowhead was taken uh just about at the

1864
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,120
same time i took mine

1865
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,159
and i and it's an arrowhead of five

1866
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,840
lights and all you have to do is just

1867
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,320
look at the footage those lights are

1868
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,400
either attached to something again

1869
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,679
people would say that over and over

1870
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:48,960
again it seemed to be attached to

1871
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,760
something or had a force field

1872
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,760
in between now

1873
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,400
and and that was before 10 o'clock and

1874
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,480
this is where things kind of get you

1875
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,480
know missing disinformation from the

1876
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,640
media there were two

1877
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:03,840
videos

1878
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:06,880
that were taken after 10 o'clock of a

1879
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,760
boomerang okay and that's become very

1880
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,159
controversial for for being players but

1881
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,159
we can get to that in a second because

1882
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,679
one of them i have never used in

1883
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:17,199
anything because it does look a little

1884
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,400
hazard

1885
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,880
so they may have sent off layers but

1886
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,960
what the other one is so rock solid i

1887
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:24,960
mean flares cannot do that but that's a

1888
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,320
whole other story but at any rate so um

1889
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,239
you know they're like all day long they

1890
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,239
were for the into the night they were

1891
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,920
talking about this and four weeks later

1892
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,239
and it wasn't until the week after the

1893
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,159
mass sighting again i knew nothing about

1894
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:39,600
this topic

1895
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:42,080
that they're interviewing a fella and

1896
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,679
showing my video

1897
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,000
and he starts showing other videos and

1898
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,239
pictures from his database he's was

1899
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,239
right here in phoenix in temp tempe in

1900
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:53,040
village labs right near asu

1901
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,480
state university

1902
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,360
an authority not only um a color you

1903
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,440
know uh computer

1904
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:01,840
uh authority because the big computer

1905
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,480
lab and and hormel you mentioned hormel

1906
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:06,880
he was actually partners with him

1907
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,159
we're referring to dylan

1908
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,640
um but he was showing from all over the

1909
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,760
world from uk and belgium and the hudson

1910
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:18,080
valley sightings in the in the eighties

1911
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,679
and i mean i had no idea no idea and i'm

1912
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:23,280
thinking my goodness this is happening

1913
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,560
worldwide

1914
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:27,040
what's going on here and from that day

1915
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,159
onward

1916
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:30,400
i started keeping an intricate intricate

1917
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,360
journal

1918
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,239
of everything of the media i called the

1919
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,320
military those conversations are quite

1920
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,000
comical i have them in the book as well

1921
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:40,159
they were just as curious as everyone

1922
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:43,920
else and of course witness uh testimony

1923
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,880
and uh again going and really trying to

1924
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,960
to find a logical explanation for this

1925
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,880
and before i knew it you know just

1926
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,239
looking at the history and i'm sure you

1927
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,560
know the history of of of these

1928
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,000
phenomena they've been around since

1929
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,760
human documentation began i had no idea

1930
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,320
yeah i mean there were there are um you

1931
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,560
know etched out drawings and primitive

1932
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,880
caves where the animals that are in

1933
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,560
these drawings are long extinct and they

1934
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,120
have ufos in the sky i mean how did they

1935
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,360
how did they know that and and certainly

1936
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,920
sumerian writings and india writings and

1937
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,239
even the bible ezekiel's wheel and we

1938
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,280
can go on and on to the 15th and 16th

1939
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,000
centuries with uh frescoes and and

1940
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,760
pictures of people on the ground we show

1941
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,159
a few of those and in the documentary uh

1942
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,040
looking up at at not only ufos but there

1943
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,320
are beings in the ufos and then um you

1944
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,040
know world war two we have foo fighters

1945
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,400
in fact every year i i hosted to keep it

1946
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,920
alive the phoenix lights alive we

1947
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:44,719
celebrate the anniversary um around the

1948
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,920
the the 13th of march at the uh harkins

1949
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,159
uh scottsdale theater here we showed

1950
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,080
document the latest uh edition of the

1951
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,640
documentary and we have um speakers

1952
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,560
afterwards and this see this last year

1953
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,199
and this year um we had navajo rangers i

1954
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,280
mean there are rangers which you know

1955
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,360
that's amazing that they actually are

1956
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,120
law enforcement that are taking this

1957
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,440
seriously we we had such an amazing

1958
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:10,480
positive transformation here uh in the

1959
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:13,199
media as well and and we had a 92 year

1960
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,880
young um foo fighter pilot uh in world

1961
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,000
war two

1962
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:21,199
uh from france uh he's 92 years young

1963
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,080
and he actually saw the same phenomena

1964
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,560
during world war two and reported it his

1965
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,880
history is in the bonus features of our

1966
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:31,280
documentary dvd is fascinating what

1967
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,719
happened to him when he tried to report

1968
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,280
it because as we know uh pilots are

1969
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,960
certainly threatened with their careers

1970
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:38,480
if they come forward and many many

1971
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,600
pilots uh have seen things um but at any

1972
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,760
rate uh getting back to the to the mass

1973
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,199
sighting for anybody that doesn't know

1974
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,120
about the mass sighting or it's heard

1975
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:49,600
that it's it was one or two events and

1976
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,719
so forth and then uh the the

1977
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,040
the misinformation out there really got

1978
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:56,719
to me i have to tell you once i had the

1979
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,600
750 page journal

1980
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,960
and then went back to work to help put

1981
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,480
our younger son through medical school

1982
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:04,080
at the arizona heart institute as their

1983
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:05,840
chief clinical consultant while i was

1984
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,640
there

1985
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,239
doing a lot of soul searching and

1986
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,679
deciding whether i should come forward

1987
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,000
or not i started but you know editing

1988
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:14,080
down the book to the best most credible

1989
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:15,520
information that i found but in the

1990
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,640
meantime

1991
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,880
what is really amazing with the with the

1992
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,120
mass sighting is it wasn't one or two

1993
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,239
events it was many events as i mentioned

1994
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,880
earlier starting at three p.m in the

1995
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:29,120
afternoon during the day people saw

1996
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:31,920
daylight sightings of these phenomena

1997
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,360
all the way until 5 30 the next morning

1998
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,360
there was a boeing crew

1999
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,520
they contacted me that actually so one

2000
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:42,000
of these mile wide craft hovering over

2001
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,679
their tarmac now let me back up a little

2002
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,199
bit well

2003
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,120
i'm actually going to ask you about that

2004
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,719
and we need to back up actually

2005
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,640
a little bit more because there's

2006
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,000
there's two or three things that

2007
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,920
crisscross here and

2008
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,239
we need you to clarify this and this is

2009
01:19:01,270 --> 01:19:00,000
fade to black on the dark matter radio

2010
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,280
network i'm your host jimmy church we

2011
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,840
are talking to dr lynn kitai

2012
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:05,840
about the phoenix lights

2013
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,880
and now doctor let's let's just back up

2014
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:10,480
there's

2015
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:13,520
when oh by the way my producers did get

2016
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,880
to me it was thursday march 13th i told

2017
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,280
everybody uh in the intro to the show

2018
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,199
tonight doctor about

2019
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,040
i was in phoenix that week and i had

2020
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,440
gotten home on friday

2021
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:28,080
and when i walked in from the airport i

2022
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:29,679
remember putting down my bags and

2023
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,280
turning on the tv and boom right there

2024
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,600
national news here in los angeles is the

2025
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,000
phoenix lights and it's the famous

2026
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:40,800
uh shot of of whatever you want to call

2027
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,840
it but that that the the large uh mass

2028
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:45,199
sighting

2029
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,000
and

2030
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:48,000
i'm thinking to myself i was you know i

2031
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,920
just got back from phoenix and i don't

2032
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,440
remember

2033
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,199
seeing this or hearing about it in

2034
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,520
phoenix the night before what i did that

2035
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,760
friday driving around in cars and

2036
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:59,679
getting onto a plane i probably didn't

2037
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:00,880
see the news

2038
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:04,640
and so forth but i was indeed in phoenix

2039
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:07,840
that night i just missed it and i don't

2040
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:08,800
know

2041
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:12,960
night so i have an excuse for not seeing

2042
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,080
it but nonetheless i missed one of the

2043
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,239
greatest opportunities of a lifetime i

2044
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:20,080
was there now this is what i want to

2045
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,440
talk about though

2046
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:23,920
the following week after the phoenix

2047
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,480
lights incident the rumor was going

2048
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:28,080
around here

2049
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:29,840
and i don't i don't know if it was on

2050
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:32,000
the news but certainly a few friends

2051
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,760
were talking about this and this was the

2052
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:35,280
story that was

2053
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,640
immediately uh preceding the event which

2054
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,080
was

2055
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,080
immediately following the event which

2056
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,000
was that the flares

2057
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,880
were done at luke air force base as a

2058
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:48,080
total

2059
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:49,120
um

2060
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,600
uh a camouflage of the real event that

2061
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:55,600
and that was the story that there was

2062
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,400
something that had flown to tucson

2063
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,080
and that they wanted to cover it up at

2064
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,320
luke air force base with flares now that

2065
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:04,719
was the story going around here

2066
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,400
um at that time in in phoenix

2067
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,719
was there the same type of rumor and

2068
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,480
disinformation that and we're not

2069
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,239
talking about governor symington we'll

2070
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:16,400
get to that issue in a second but

2071
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,280
um

2072
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,520
uh is that what was going on in phoenix

2073
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,840
was there some disinfo going around you

2074
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,440
knew what you have been seeing in

2075
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:24,719
photographing

2076
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,760
right you know so uh what what was going

2077
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,920
on what was the word on the street

2078
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,239
actually you know it was amazing because

2079
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,239
um you know and i am going to back up

2080
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,560
and just just state state this because

2081
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:38,320
people realize what we're talking about

2082
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,120
here

2083
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,000
um we're not just talking about orbs in

2084
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,239
and v-shaped mile wide v-shaped

2085
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:45,760
formations that traverse the entire

2086
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:48,640
state and beyond i mean it was also a

2087
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,159
11 30 there was a a uh a a cri

2088
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:54,719
commercial airline crew that saw the

2089
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,400
same thing that covered las vegas and

2090
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,520
were actually um try to report it and

2091
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:03,040
and a strange voice got on a very

2092
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,639
authoritative voice and kind of freaked

2093
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,560
them out a little bit and they

2094
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:08,000
put it that they didn't really see

2095
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,600
anything and it was another pilot called

2096
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:11,040
in that was all anxious about it was

2097
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,600
right over him and as they approached

2098
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,960
california

2099
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,199
um suddenly at thirty thousand feet this

2100
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:19,679
is a hundred and forty passengers uh it

2101
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,880
saw this as well um right outside their

2102
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,480
window and if it was less than a mile

2103
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:27,280
they see like a burst of of light like a

2104
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,679
flare and within seconds a military

2105
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,480
aircraft with by them on the other side

2106
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,719
uh in the other direction uh with

2107
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,800
afterburners on and and the pilot that

2108
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,639
she she jumped out of her seat i mean it

2109
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,120
was that close um you know they felt

2110
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:45,199
that they were trying to quiet them and

2111
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:46,480
freak them out a little bit which they

2112
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,400
did um and also with three p.m that i

2113
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,960
mean three a.m uh the following morning

2114
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:54,800
just so you know the details surrounding

2115
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:58,080
the mass sighting um there was a call to

2116
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,159
the national ufo reporting center a

2117
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,800
peter davenport very detailed we have uh

2118
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,639
the recording actually in some of the

2119
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,400
recording in the documentary

2120
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:08,000
and i talk about it in the book as well

2121
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:08,800
that

2122
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,280
from luke air force base very detailed

2123
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:16,639
very professional and that at 8 30 about

2124
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,080
8 30 that night there were aircraft uh

2125
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,000
military jets that were sent out to

2126
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,080
intercept or get concurrent someone i've

2127
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,440
heard that they did get gun criminal

2128
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,520
film um i haven't seen it but i heard

2129
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,400
that they did um but as they got closer

2130
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,239
this is right over central phoenix this

2131
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,960
is 7th avenue in indian school right the

2132
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,880
light started to dim and then the whole

2133
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,800
thing blinked out there's a mile wide

2134
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,440
craft right right and and the crewman

2135
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,040
said that it freaked out one of the

2136
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,280
pilots he actually helped carry out that

2137
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,320
pilot from his own aircraft now just to

2138
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,400
get back let me back up and i'll answer

2139
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,440
your question for you in a sec but um

2140
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,840
again it wasn't just orbs if you go on

2141
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,480
the gap page gap the geospatial

2142
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,120
animation project on the phoenix sites

2143
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,760
network website phoenix the phoenix

2144
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:05,120
lights dot net

2145
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:06,320
gap

2146
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,840
there is

2147
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,320
they were actually nine or ten different

2148
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,440
craft that people saw now this is a mile

2149
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,440
wide totally silent and i want to make

2150
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,679
that clear it didn't even displace the

2151
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,520
air okay and this was right over

2152
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,880
people's heads some people said they

2153
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,960
could have thrown a rock at it it was so

2154
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,040
close and we have a pilot in the

2155
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,440
documentary that had one of these craft

2156
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,600
and also an artist that had one of these

2157
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,920
cracked right over their head and they

2158
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,159
they describe these giant well these

2159
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,400
giant canisters like like canisters in

2160
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,880
the ceiling of of swimming light right

2161
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:40,639
above them i mean the descriptions were

2162
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:43,600
just unbelievable plus some people saw

2163
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,960
these words detach from the main object

2164
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,199
go out into the environment and then

2165
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,199
re-dock with it later and you know of

2166
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,040
course the thought has come maybe that's

2167
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,280
what happened in 95 because the same

2168
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,280
phenomena was in the the distance when

2169
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,440
we were looking at these closed orbs but

2170
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,000
nonetheless some people saw that other

2171
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,719
people just as the military saw these

2172
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,960
craft just take off and blink speed or

2173
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:09,600
disappear and somebody even thought just

2174
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,880
there's one craft okay that split into

2175
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,280
and then just shot up in the air i mean

2176
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,000
amazing amazing technology so it wasn't

2177
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:20,080
just for two events it was many many

2178
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,679
events and there were many crap now

2179
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:23,840
whether it was one craft that could

2180
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,480
morph into looking differently or the

2181
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:28,320
perspective from where the person was

2182
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,360
standing

2183
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,920
or a parade of different craft now

2184
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,920
that's what the conclusion after 12

2185
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,840
years of studying thousands of reports

2186
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,520
from the national ufo reporting center

2187
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,199
in seattle washington

2188
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,360
councilwoman vice mayor francis barwood

2189
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:43,600
who was the only elected official who

2190
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,600
innocently shouldn't see it but enough

2191
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,600
of her constituents were were asking her

2192
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,600
why isn't there an investigation and

2193
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:52,000
this is in may that she asked why we

2194
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:53,679
wouldn't look into it and she got

2195
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,280
plastered by the media by the way and um

2196
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,000
i felt i felt so bad for her because she

2197
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,239
was definitely

2198
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,080
concerned and you could see it on her

2199
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,320
face too yeah you could see it

2200
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,840
and she was shocked at uh

2201
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,840
the the feedback she was getting you

2202
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,960
know she's

2203
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:14,639
she's an official

2204
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,320
yeah and and for her innocently yes

2205
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,679
that maybe we should look into this

2206
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,040
because so many people had to go right

2207
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,040
over their head

2208
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,920
a public safety issue if nothing else um

2209
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,840
absolutely and village labs and also

2210
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,920
arizona move on all contributed

2211
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,080
thousands and thousands of reports and

2212
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:34,080
it they're illustrated beautifully by by

2213
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,120
larry lowe on the gap page um i you know

2214
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,360
i i welcome people to take a look at it

2215
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:41,360
and um they felt that you know

2216
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:43,040
ultimately that there was a parade

2217
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:44,719
throughout the state and beyond new

2218
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,440
mexico and california and nevada as well

2219
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,880
um of multiple craft so um you know we

2220
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,120
may never know but you know they're so

2221
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,679
different uh that you know one wonders

2222
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,320
if there wasn't that going on well as

2223
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:00,560
you going back to what you said

2224
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,600
um you know there is an outside chance

2225
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,080
that they did send off some players but

2226
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,239
i have to tell you in seventeen years

2227
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:11,280
not one person not one person that i

2228
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,719
know if i'm pretty intimately involved

2229
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,199
in the investigation has shared that

2230
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,840
they saw flares that night okay it was

2231
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,760
quite the contrary flares drift and drop

2232
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,000
and have huge smoke trails and

2233
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:24,000
illuminate the area around it not one

2234
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,040
person

2235
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,840
has has reported that um that saw the

2236
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:29,840
true unknown so i don't know if they did

2237
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,239
send off layers they may have but that's

2238
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,600
that's another issue because what

2239
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:35,520
happened was that there was no

2240
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,199
investigation no no explanation at all

2241
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,440
for months and then suddenly and again

2242
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:43,280
this is a really important part of the

2243
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:44,560
puzzle

2244
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:47,600
june eighteenth 1997 this is months

2245
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,480
later

2246
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:51,440
suddenly and and by the way i mean not

2247
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,239
and

2248
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:54,080
it wasn't really talked about outside of

2249
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,760
arizona i mean you might heard about it

2250
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:57,760
in california a little bit but it was

2251
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,159
the first time that international media

2252
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:02,480
heard about the phoenix lights and we

2253
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,280
were deluged overnight it went viral and

2254
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,360
there was no social media at the time

2255
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,440
just from that one for front page you

2256
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:11,760
know article and it was a beautiful

2257
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,679
gigantic article in in uh usa today

2258
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,800
and by the late morning that next

2259
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:20,560
morning it's very interesting how the

2260
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,159
story unfolds

2261
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:24,880
we get the news that then former

2262
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,840
governor symington

2263
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,520
was calling a press conference that

2264
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,600
afternoon on on scheduled

2265
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:33,679
to reveal the culprit

2266
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:36,560
quote unquote now did you did you see

2267
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,199
did you see the uh the press conference

2268
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,040
live as it happened

2269
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,280
i wasn't there live but i thought on

2270
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,960
that's what i mean

2271
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,320
okay

2272
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,560
for anybody that saw the real deal right

2273
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,400
he comes marching out and i have to tell

2274
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:52,400
you this year if you look at those

2275
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,000
pictures there's a there's a guard

2276
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,400
standing behind them and marches out one

2277
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,719
of his uh aids with

2278
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,520
a giant alien head costume and made a

2279
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,440
mockery of this and he came up to me

2280
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,679
this year at the anniversary uh

2281
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,000
celebration at harkin shea and he said

2282
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:11,040
he felt so bad that was happening he was

2283
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:12,800
watching this happen right in front of

2284
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:16,000
him um but at any rate it was very

2285
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:19,280
disheartening uh especially for parents

2286
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,800
that were children i mean what do you

2287
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,639
say to your kids the governor is making

2288
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,400
a joke out of this and they saw it i

2289
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,080
mean they something that's bigger than a

2290
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,159
giant mall went over their heads if you

2291
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:30,400
know what i mean well what was worse

2292
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:33,280
this is hindsight and you know hindsight

2293
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:36,080
is well we know what hindsight is

2294
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:37,360
but for

2295
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,920
four fife symington the third for fife

2296
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,080
he as it turns out he was a witness

2297
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,120
himself that that's that's what pains me

2298
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,280
and it pains him to this day

2299
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,679
but he was a witness himself and he was

2300
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:53,360
forced into

2301
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,080
somebody made him make uh

2302
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:58,320
the mockery that he did of the press

2303
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,360
conference

2304
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,000
and he knew he was lying to his own

2305
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,639
constituents to the press to the media

2306
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,400
when he stepped up to the microphone i

2307
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:08,239
can't imagine what was going through the

2308
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,120
back of his mind at that very moment

2309
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:13,520
i can't either but anyway it happened

2310
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:15,920
and what was really interesting is that

2311
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:18,880
it put a lid on everything very quickly

2312
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,480
okay and that next month i again called

2313
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,239
the military and asked them what was

2314
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:26,239
going on because you know once you see

2315
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:28,480
something up closer versus all is that

2316
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,760
you can't let go and uh and and their

2317
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:33,840
conversations were amazing because they

2318
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:36,560
were just curious i mean i i had one

2319
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,719
lieutenant say to me hey whoever did

2320
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,360
this you know uh knows who they are and

2321
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:42,960
and god they're the only ones that know

2322
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,520
i mean they were they didn't know either

2323
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,239
and then suddenly i get a call this is

2324
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:50,239
really interesting i get a call

2325
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,120
a month later july 24th

2326
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,280
and i remember the date exactly because

2327
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,840
it was my sister-in-law's birthday back

2328
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:59,280
back east and i called her right after

2329
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,120
this call and she already heard this

2330
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,360
news we haven't even heard it yet here

2331
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,520
but i get a call from one of the heads

2332
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:07,600
of pr at the air national guard and she

2333
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,520
says dr lynn

2334
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,239
do you believe uh you know we think we

2335
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:14,159
know what what those lights were back in

2336
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:16,239
march and i said you do great i mean i

2337
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,400
was looking for any logical explanation

2338
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,400
she said do you believe in all these

2339
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:22,000
months and we're talking july twenty

2340
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,800
fourth

2341
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:25,199
from march thirteen that nobody ever

2342
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:26,800
looked at the log for

2343
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,480
visiting air national guard in the

2344
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,400
maryland air national guard

2345
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,199
came in town uh to send off flares in

2346
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:36,000
operation snowbird and i later learned

2347
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:37,840
that in military terms that means

2348
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,920
diversionary tactical maneuvers and it's

2349
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:41,600
been a diversion ever since i have to

2350
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:42,560
tell you

2351
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:45,600
um but she said that must be what some

2352
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,000
people saw those were her exact words

2353
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,400
and i said wait a minute when were the

2354
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,239
merlin national guard in town she said

2355
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:54,880
march 1st to the 15th i said were they

2356
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,040
in town in january she said no i said

2357
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:59,679
are you sure she said oh absolutely not

2358
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:01,199
i said well

2359
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,920
i have 35 millimeter photographic

2360
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,239
evidence of the same exact phenomena in

2361
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,080
the same exact location confirmed the

2362
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,400
next morning in both cases in january

2363
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:12,400
and the morning after the mass sighting

2364
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,159
by air traffic controllers at sky harbor

2365
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:16,880
international airport as hovering over

2366
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:18,960
class b restricted airspace a thousand

2367
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:21,040
feet altitude and she says you never

2368
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,960
told me that

2369
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,719
and then the next thing i said and

2370
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:26,400
you're trying to say united educated

2371
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,960
myself i try to educate myself anything

2372
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,199
logical as as well you know including

2373
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,880
flares i said and you're trying to say

2374
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:34,960
flares it cannot keep reformation that

2375
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:37,360
drift and drop with the wind haphazardly

2376
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,800
in seconds

2377
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,560
and have huge smoke trails that are

2378
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,560
illuminated by the flare itself and

2379
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:45,120
illuminate the area which not one person

2380
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:46,239
reported

2381
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:49,120
traverse the entire state in a rock

2382
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:52,159
solid equidistant mile wide deformation

2383
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:56,239
for hours right right exactly uh uh

2384
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:57,760
i have a call coming and i'll get back

2385
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:00,639
to you i'm still waiting

2386
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,440
but i have to tell you after that

2387
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,639
first of all

2388
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:07,120
you realize that the only hard evidence

2389
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,560
and they could blow off people's

2390
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,920
testimony and so he didn't know what

2391
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:11,120
they were looking at and there was a

2392
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:13,600
mirage and you know whatever

2393
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,719
but they couldn't blow off the videos

2394
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:18,639
okay and by the way my video is the only

2395
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,400
one that's been authenticated as a true

2396
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:22,560
unknown to this day but

2397
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,360
they're all very impressive and

2398
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,600
uh they had to come up with something

2399
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:29,840
well what happened to the one the one

2400
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,920
video i can't remember the guy's name

2401
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:34,000
that shot it uh i'll it'll come to me in

2402
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,159
a second the one

2403
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:38,960
well it was the one of the v formation

2404
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,760
uh it was kind of static earlier yeah

2405
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,960
earlier yeah

2406
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:44,800
that mysteriously disappeared through

2407
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:47,520
the years i have to tell you yeah that

2408
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:50,480
that video is the one that well all of

2409
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:53,199
it is good but that video was the aha

2410
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,080
video that was the one where it was like

2411
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,639
it was because it showed the v-shape

2412
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:01,360
perfectly it was shot overhead you could

2413
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:04,800
see the stars moving by as he's tracking

2414
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:05,840
the

2415
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:09,520
um

2416
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:11,679
you could tell that the lights were

2417
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,360
attached in that to each other in that

2418
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:17,120
if it would have been a formation of

2419
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:19,040
aircraft or something else something

2420
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:20,960
would deviate something would move maybe

2421
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,960
flashing lights or you know there's

2422
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,000
something that would happen we'll have

2423
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:27,040
navigation lights right right right

2424
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,880
right that one video is the one

2425
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,080
that and and so it it it never surfaced

2426
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,920
again it's just gone well at the very

2427
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:37,600
beginning it did and then suddenly it

2428
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,520
wasn't around anymore i mean there were

2429
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,600
you know so i just got anything i just

2430
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,080
got a text richard curtis is the guy

2431
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:46,080
that shirt now richard curtis with

2432
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,159
another video yes okay he had he had um

2433
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,000
uh you know a video and that's a whole

2434
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:54,639
story in itself that supposedly he

2435
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:57,360
had an amazing video that um

2436
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:59,760
uh francis barwood wanted to get and

2437
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:02,159
suddenly there were a couple of men in

2438
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:04,880
suits at his door and you know i don't

2439
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,840
know i you know i i whatever i didn't

2440
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,239
see it myself but supposedly they said

2441
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:12,800
they were from her office and actually

2442
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:15,120
taking a copy and he hadn't which

2443
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,719
is beyond me

2444
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,800
somebody before you take a copy but he

2445
01:35:23,110 --> 01:35:20,400
gave it to them and it was never seen

2446
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:23,120
again so that that was a story there and

2447
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,120
i don't know i never saw it so i

2448
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:27,520
couldn't tell you if it was for real or

2449
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:28,560
not but

2450
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,440
um as far as richard curtis story did uh

2451
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:33,760
anybody see richard's video

2452
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:35,679
not that i know of i don't know okay i

2453
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:36,880
don't think so

2454
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:40,400
um i mean i i you know i i'm i don't

2455
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:44,159
know i don't know um but at any rate the

2456
01:35:47,110 --> 01:35:44,960
uh

2457
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:47,120
after they came out with the flare

2458
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,480
story

2459
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:50,880
uh it was like okay

2460
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:54,239
if it's flares and again i'm open hey if

2461
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,719
it was military then of course it's

2462
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,320
concerning that they would go right over

2463
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:00,800
people's heads and then deny it okay

2464
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:04,400
but uh okay do it again now i knew i had

2465
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,080
photographic evidence this is where the

2466
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,880
evidence really is important component

2467
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:10,719
of this because i have the same

2468
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,280
phenomena photographed two months before

2469
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,280
the mass sign he gets again it's in the

2470
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,920
negative that cannot be denied okay

2471
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,840
two months before the mass sighting and

2472
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,480
two years before the mass sighting okay

2473
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:24,320
so whoever did this did it multiple

2474
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:27,040
times if the military did it fine do it

2475
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:27,920
again

2476
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,040
well it was asked numerous times to do

2477
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:33,360
it again and um and by the way just

2478
01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:35,600
going back to the to the 24th of july i

2479
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:37,120
called my my sister-in-law right

2480
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:38,560
afterwards to wish her happy birthday

2481
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,600
and the first thing she said to me oh

2482
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,600
they just said on the news that the the

2483
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:43,920
lights you saw in phoenix were flares

2484
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,000
we didn't even hear it here yet until

2485
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,639
the next day it was already back east in

2486
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,239
delaware

2487
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,560
which was very interesting but in any

2488
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,880
way that that that traveled quickly and

2489
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:57,280
by the way when i tried to get in touch

2490
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:00,320
with the um people and i i go in detail

2491
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,119
in my book about this uh the spokesman

2492
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,320
from maryland air national guard boy did

2493
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,480
they give me the run around he would not

2494
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,719
get on the phone and then i found out

2495
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,280
later that he wasn't even here so why

2496
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,360
was he the spokesman and i have not

2497
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:17,280
spoken to one person

2498
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,960
that from the merlin air national guard

2499
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,199
i tried to find someone that was here

2500
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,520
but i wanted to find out how many they

2501
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,679
sent off where they sent it off what

2502
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:28,080
direction what altitude

2503
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:32,080
not not a not a but any rate um

2504
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:33,760
doctor let's take a quick break for

2505
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:36,080
everybody we'll take a quick two minute

2506
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:37,119
break

2507
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:38,880
this is fade to black on the dark matter

2508
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,400
radio network i'm your host jimmy church

2509
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:42,880
we're talking to dr lynn ketai

2510
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,199
about the phoenix lights we'll take a

2511
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:46,639
couple minute break we'll be back right

2512
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:56,189
hi

2513
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,070
what's up my name is brian taylor ninja

2514
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:06,480
badass extraordinaire and this is

2515
01:38:15,629 --> 01:38:12,270
hey

2516
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:15,639
jcr in your face

2517
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:18,320
jimmychurchradio.com on the dark matter

2518
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:48,149
so

2519
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,550
all right everybody welcome back

2520
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:52,400
fade to black on the dark matter radio

2521
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,440
network

2522
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,320
we are talking to dr lin kitai about the

2523
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,520
phoenix lights this is fade to black it

2524
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,440
is the wednesday edition shoot me an

2525
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,440
email to jimmy jimmychurchradio.com you

2526
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,239
can follow us on twitter at jchurchradio

2527
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:08,560
and don't forget to hashtag

2528
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:12,000
dm radionet in a few minutes uh doctor

2529
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,520
if you don't mind uh you want to take

2530
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,040
some phone calls

2531
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,639
um absolutely but i just wanted to

2532
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,440
finish this thought because no no no

2533
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:20,960
and i'd love to take some phone calls

2534
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:23,520
absolutely um what was really

2535
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,000
interesting is that right before the

2536
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:28,480
third anniversary of the phoenix flights

2537
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:30,000
event um

2538
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:32,320
our former gov former vice mayor

2539
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,800
councilwoman francis barwood decided to

2540
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:36,960
run for secretary of state

2541
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,800
and you can only imagine the jokes that

2542
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,360
were made in the paper about that on a

2543
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,679
platform to get answers for the phoenix

2544
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,960
lights by the way

2545
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,800
and she was really pushing for a

2546
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:49,360
reenactment and suddenly we get you know

2547
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,000
the the the announcement that three air

2548
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,080
national guard again this is such an

2549
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,960
important part of the of the story and

2550
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,960
very few people know about this unless

2551
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,480
you read my book or hear me on a

2552
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:02,639
wonderful program like this

2553
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,920
three air national guards california

2554
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,400
michigan and new york i believe

2555
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,280
came to show everyone the phoenix lights

2556
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,960
they were doing a deployment of flares

2557
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:14,880
to show the phoenix lights now

2558
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,760
you know whether they thought we forgot

2559
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:20,239
or they could just confuse it the issue

2560
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,360
even more or whatever um

2561
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:25,679
it was a joke

2562
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:28,639
i i have to say if anything put the nail

2563
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,639
in the coffin for flares it was when

2564
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:32,480
they tried to reenact it and if you go

2565
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:35,199
to the news page on the phoenix sites

2566
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,560
network uh website and you go down i

2567
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:41,520
think it's second level there to the az

2568
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:44,800
family uh that's a cnn affiliate channel

2569
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:48,719
three uh they do a wonderful report uh

2570
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:51,920
on on just that on on their flare drop

2571
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,719
and it was just such a dire failure for

2572
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,880
them i mean they tried to make a a

2573
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:59,040
triangle it fell apart immediately it

2574
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,719
had huge smoke trails i mean just like

2575
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:03,520
flares do and it and it dissipated uh

2576
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,560
almost immediately within seconds um it

2577
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:08,719
it absolutely and and let me tell you

2578
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:10,639
the media and the witnesses were out in

2579
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:13,760
mass to to watch this um it really

2580
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,000
confirmed for the witnesses of the true

2581
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,880
unknowns that what we saw was definitely

2582
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,360
not flares and to this day

2583
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,800
the phoenix lights have never been

2584
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,480
reenacted

2585
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,080
never been explained

2586
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:28,400
the the craft itself have never been

2587
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,440
addressed and these phenomena continue

2588
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,679
to occur worldwide

2589
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,239
one of the things and we have the calls

2590
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,760
have already started coming in by the

2591
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:39,840
way one of the things

2592
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:42,639
uh for me is this

2593
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:43,600
when

2594
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,880
i grew up

2595
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,960
on military bases my father was in in

2596
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,159
the army

2597
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,760
and i've seen

2598
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,440
exercises

2599
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:53,760
i i i i've forgotten more than i've

2600
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,400
remembered but the one thing as a kid

2601
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,880
when you look up at flares

2602
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,560
first off they're beautiful that's the

2603
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:02,320
first thing they're great but their

2604
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:03,600
intention

2605
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,280
is to light up everything and you you

2606
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:09,360
see the smoke

2607
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:10,639
you see

2608
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:12,800
uh sometimes you can see the parachute

2609
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:15,440
you know that that is holding it up in

2610
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,360
the sky exactly and and it's it's orange

2611
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,560
and it's got a very specific very

2612
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:24,960
beautiful look to it but the intention

2613
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,760
is to light up everything and and i

2614
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,239
don't know if it was flares or not i

2615
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:31,920
don't i don't i wasn't there i didn't

2616
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,280
see it but it doesn't look to me to be

2617
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,280
flares in the videos i've seen the

2618
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,600
reenactment stuff that they did

2619
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,159
and there are those are the orange

2620
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,880
flares that you normally see if you know

2621
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:47,280
what i'm trying to describe

2622
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:48,080
so

2623
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:50,000
yeah i mean well it besides the fact

2624
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,760
that when you saw them like i said the

2625
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,679
video doesn't do it justice in the video

2626
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:55,360
they're much smaller they're white they

2627
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:57,760
flicker um but if you really study the

2628
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,080
videos you'll see you know how perfectly

2629
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,800
aligned these these phenomena are i mean

2630
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,960
they're either uh have a force field in

2631
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,719
between holding them in rock solid

2632
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,800
formation or they're attached to

2633
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:11,280
something and and and i'm telling people

2634
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,560
saw gun metal underneath these crafts as

2635
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,560
well and some people saw windows and

2636
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:18,880
beings at the windows i mean it is

2637
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:20,639
extraordinary when you when you hear the

2638
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,639
descriptions from the from the witnesses

2639
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,199
themselves um but at any rate that you

2640
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,159
know the flare thing is just so

2641
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,920
ridiculous at this point anybody that

2642
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:31,360
says oh the phoenix lights were flared

2643
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:33,119
uh you know you just know right off that

2644
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:34,480
they haven't looked at the data they

2645
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:35,440
haven't

2646
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,800
because all you have to do is look at

2647
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,480
that and see that there's no way that

2648
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,800
they were flares and you know it wasn't

2649
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:47,280
just lights it also was craft and that's

2650
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,960
really important to um to to really get

2651
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:52,960
out there that that there were multiple

2652
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,679
crafts they were mile wide craft they

2653
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:57,920
were actually you know i mean it was a

2654
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:00,880
it was a such a such an amazing amazing

2655
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:03,920
technology um that we haven't seen any

2656
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,920
of this they could disappear they could

2657
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,000
fade they could do you know would blink

2658
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,880
speed i could just take off uh

2659
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,960
orbs it could come they could come off

2660
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,639
from it and go on to the environment and

2661
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:16,320
then re-dock with it i mean all this

2662
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,600
kind of stuff that

2663
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,320
you know where is it it's 17 years later

2664
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,480
let's grab this first call who's calling

2665
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,280
you're live with dr lynn ketai

2666
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,199
well i think you know who i am this is

2667
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,679
dino oh hi dino how are you sir what

2668
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:31,119
have you got

2669
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:32,639
go ahead no i would say what have you

2670
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,280
got for the the good doctor tonight well

2671
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:38,000
i first off before hello doctor uh

2672
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,080
before that i have to always express you

2673
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:42,320
know my gratitude for what you do jimmy

2674
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,880
and the hours you put in and this is

2675
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,960
important stuff so thank you for that

2676
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,480
and now

2677
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,880
i'll go to doctor thank you for coming

2678
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:52,400
forward when you're a medical

2679
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,600
professional

2680
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:56,960
uh to put yourself on the line like this

2681
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,920
and now i'd like to hopefully add to the

2682
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,679
discussion and the

2683
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,760
some way i have a couple of points

2684
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,920
if i had seen something like this which

2685
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,920
i have not but i've had an open mind for

2686
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,480
years doing the research on these i

2687
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,119
would go to no ends to try to find out

2688
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:16,080
what it was and who was covering it up

2689
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:16,960
and

2690
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:22,000
i'm wondering if you have run into any

2691
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,800
uh

2692
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,280
formal or under handed a type of

2693
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:28,320
opposition about what you've been doing

2694
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:29,840
in other words if someone tried to

2695
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,719
jeopardize or hang you up or try to stop

2696
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,880
you that that's a really good question i

2697
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:37,360
appreciate asking actually because again

2698
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:39,920
i did not want to come forward and

2699
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:43,360
uh once i condensed the 750 page journal

2700
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:46,480
to 250 pages and it was just of the best

2701
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:49,440
and most credible most compelling uh

2702
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:52,320
statements from from presidents and cia

2703
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,880
and military and pilots and astronauts

2704
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:56,880
that astronomer mitchell is in our

2705
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,000
documentary fabulous um and and was and

2706
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:02,000
really did my homework and i really

2707
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,000
really tried to find a logical

2708
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,960
explanation and i've yet to find one um

2709
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,040
what do you do with that as an educator

2710
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,480
for forty years um and as a scientist

2711
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:14,400
knowing that that i have data that

2712
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,679
cannot be explained or or denied and and

2713
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:19,679
as a physician knowing there are people

2714
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:20,800
out there

2715
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:23,280
that don't want to that are afraid to

2716
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,920
talk about it that um there's so much

2717
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,400
ridicule and criticism and and

2718
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:30,159
discrediting i mean i was a scary

2719
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:32,080
proposition very scary to come forward

2720
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,600
especially i i was chief clinton

2721
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:34,880
consultant at the arizona heart

2722
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:35,920
institute

2723
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:38,719
when i came forward in 2004

2724
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:41,119
but you know what i could not stick it

2725
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,600
in a drawer and i have been so lucky i

2726
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,119
mean i have to say i've been very

2727
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,000
blessed and that when people actually

2728
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,800
read it they really appreciate it uh the

2729
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:52,960
work that's gone into it so uh you know

2730
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,360
i'm trying to help i'm not trying to

2731
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,199
bash the government or the or the

2732
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:59,199
military or anyone i'm just trying to

2733
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,520
get the information out there let people

2734
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,199
decide for themselves this is really a

2735
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,920
grassroots effort um once again doctor i

2736
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:07,679
i have to agree with you on that i mean

2737
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,600
the thing is whether it's edgar mitchell

2738
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,280
who i respect

2739
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,440
or gordon cooper another astronaut i

2740
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,920
respect or travis walton or whitley

2741
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:17,840
strieber when you meet these people in

2742
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,480
person you can't help but realize that

2743
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:22,719
they're sticking themselves out however

2744
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:25,600
i want to support you because almost

2745
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,480
like

2746
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:28,320
let's say gay marriage now it's becoming

2747
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,159
more and more acceptable as people who

2748
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:33,199
are resistant to it before are saying

2749
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,280
hey what's so bad about it it's not my

2750
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:38,480
cup of tea maybe but let's be open about

2751
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,880
it and not ridicule the people like

2752
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:43,119
yourselves and like jimmy and like these

2753
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:44,800
others i've mentioned who are stepping

2754
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,520
forward who are not looney tunes you

2755
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,480
know who are not somebody who who is

2756
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,719
looking for self-aggrandizement

2757
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:55,119
and they're coming forward and that that

2758
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,159
said

2759
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,480
the governor i i who knows what pressure

2760
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,040
he was under but i was so angry to learn

2761
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:03,440
years later after the charade and

2762
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:06,560
mockery he made with his aide coming out

2763
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:11,750
costume and a helmet on that he now has

2764
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,360
come forward he should be going to the

2765
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,119
ends of the earth he's not running for

2766
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,199
political office now and trying to find

2767
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,360
out what happened and telling everybody

2768
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:21,600
in the main media about it

2769
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,760
dino dino thank you for the call i'm

2770
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:25,520
gonna i'm gonna grab another one really

2771
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:27,760
quick can i say two things with that

2772
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,239
no absolutely really great point um

2773
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,719
number one when you know right after the

2774
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,719
10th anniversary the governor did come

2775
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:36,960
forward and bravely and and say that he

2776
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:40,960
saw it and as a military pilot um that

2777
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,840
it was otherworldly which was a big step

2778
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,600
forward i have to say the work and that

2779
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,960
was the other reason that i wanted to

2780
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,639
come forward is that the more credible

2781
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:50,800
people that come forward and actually

2782
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:53,280
share their stories and share the data

2783
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,119
and thank goodness i have 35 millimeter

2784
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:57,040
i wouldn't be talking to you right now

2785
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,920
uh

2786
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:59,840
the more we can we can start raising

2787
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,159
awareness and and actually j allen

2788
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:04,159
heineck said it so so

2789
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,280
poignantly dr j allen heineck was the uh

2790
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,280
head of the astronomy department at

2791
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:11,679
northwestern was plucked out to head

2792
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,760
the project blue book which was the only

2793
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,360
public

2794
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,760
study of of ufos and of course he came

2795
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,440
up with the swamp gas and also close

2796
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,000
encounters um but he did also come

2797
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:24,719
forward uh shortly before he passed in

2798
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:27,600
85 to say that he was told not to panic

2799
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,639
the public and to cover up anything that

2800
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,159
you know really push everything under

2801
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,280
the carpet that was anomalous and and

2802
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,920
just you know focus on those on the easy

2803
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:39,520
things or make me you know put the

2804
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,880
people out there that did look

2805
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:43,440
ridiculous um but he made made a very

2806
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,400
good statement he said in science

2807
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:48,880
it happens in three stages the first

2808
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:51,760
stage is complete disbelief

2809
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,639
the second stage is well

2810
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:57,280
it might be so and the third and final

2811
01:50:01,590 --> 01:49:59,920
stages ah i knew it all the time and i

2812
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,600
think we are getting closer and closer

2813
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:03,440
with social media and really that's in

2814
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,000
the mix um now with social media and

2815
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,239
people have cell phones now people

2816
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:10,159
with cameras people ask me all the time

2817
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:11,840
why isn't why wasn't there more pictures

2818
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,960
well number one we had clunky telephones

2819
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:16,560
and they remember those clunky cell

2820
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:18,159
phones for those that even had them in

2821
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:21,679
95 and 97 and they didn't have cameras

2822
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:23,119
in them and who carried the camera when

2823
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,320
you're out and about with such a

2824
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:26,639
beautiful night people were playing golf

2825
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:27,360
and

2826
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:32,400
stuff um but those that did have cameras

2827
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:34,480
and did try to take pictures turned out

2828
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,639
black because the

2829
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:38,719
objects were so massive and blocked out

2830
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,760
the stars that they didn't turn out so

2831
01:50:45,669 --> 01:50:43,360
that's why there wasn't you know more

2832
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:45,679
pictures but you know as we look at the

2833
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:48,320
data and as we really look at the story

2834
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,119
unfolding um you know

2835
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:53,199
more and more because of social media

2836
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,040
and now i have to tell you this too when

2837
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,920
i came forward in 2004 the official and

2838
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,000
accepted except for the witnesses and

2839
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,400
investigators of course explanation of

2840
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,840
the phoenix lights was that they were

2841
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,480
merely military illumination players

2842
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,360
well now and you know we're talking to

2843
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,960
you know

2844
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:12,719
17 years later

2845
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:15,280
if you go on youtube it'll blow you away

2846
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,440
you put in phoenix lights and people

2847
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,520
around the world and it's not just me

2848
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,080
it's it's people like uh francis barwood

2849
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,719
and people like uh governor top former

2850
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,400
governor simon simmington who finally

2851
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,360
came forward that have raised awareness

2852
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:31,199
around the world of the phoenix lights

2853
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,400
and of our mass lighting which has

2854
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:34,480
become by the way

2855
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,440
not only the most documented the most uh

2856
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:39,360
witnessed and the most important mass

2857
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:41,920
sighting in modern history but it it has

2858
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:43,840
become historic in in not only the

2859
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,239
annals of ufology but certainly in the

2860
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,440
annals of of human history and now when

2861
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,119
people see similar phenomena whether

2862
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,520
it's orbs or these the triangle or

2863
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:55,679
v-shaped craft you'll you'll hear them

2864
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:57,199
on the video while they're while they're

2865
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,480
shooting and say oh well there's the

2866
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,719
phoenix light so that's pretty cool

2867
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,199
uh we have lou on the line lou how are

2868
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:05,119
you doing tonight

2869
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,480
fine thank you how are you well i hope

2870
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,560
you're welcome yeah sorry um

2871
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,880
good a doctor i

2872
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:12,560
i'm i'm fully a supporter and i want to

2873
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,320
refer not to the orbs that was

2874
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:16,239
interesting that was a lot of some new

2875
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,920
information there for me but what i'd

2876
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:20,480
like to know is about the

2877
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,280
the triangle or the b shape or boomerang

2878
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,080
craft i've heard some people who are

2879
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,560
publicly prominent in the ufo field

2880
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:30,639
express opinions that

2881
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,719
they think that's american or human

2882
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,000
technology

2883
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,840
i don't think so but i'm curious how you

2884
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,599
react to something like that well you

2885
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,440
know again i always go back to the

2886
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:41,840
ninety five sighting that i saw up close

2887
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,480
and personal um you know if we had this

2888
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,719
kind of technology shame on them that

2889
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,480
they did it right over people's heads

2890
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,480
and then denied it okay that's that's

2891
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,760
first first of all uh secondly i i don't

2892
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,360
doubt for a second that we have some

2893
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,880
advanced technology out there that we're

2894
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:58,880
not being told okay we know that's

2895
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:01,760
happening too so that's in the mix and

2896
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,639
um you know the bottom line is that you

2897
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,239
know when you go back in history and

2898
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,800
that's also very impressive there these

2899
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,880
phenomena have been around for centuries

2900
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,639
and certainly the native indigenous

2901
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:14,400
cultures have known about them have

2902
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:17,199
accepted them have embraced them and

2903
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:18,800
that's a whole other story that i get

2904
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,080
into in the book um that uh you know it

2905
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,840
isn't just march thirteen that's that's

2906
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:25,199
the main thing if people that are

2907
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:27,760
listening today can go away with it with

2908
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,360
the thought that there is much more to

2909
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:30,800
the story

2910
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,360
than march 13th 1997 and hopefully

2911
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,280
they'll pick up the book and and look at

2912
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:37,280
our documentary uh worked with an

2913
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,679
incredible filmmaker steve lance just

2914
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:42,080
stephen i uh he came to me after i came

2915
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:44,880
out with the book and wanted to do um a

2916
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,119
movie and i wanted to so bailey having

2917
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:49,280
produced video work for curriculums on

2918
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,960
vital health issues but i had no time i

2919
01:53:53,830 --> 01:53:52,239
was working seven to seven at the

2920
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,840
arizona heart institute and radio

2921
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:56,000
programs like this into the night and

2922
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:58,159
barnes and noble and borders tour tours

2923
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,360
on the weekend

2924
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,960
and one of the things and this is

2925
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,719
another thing i'm doing now now the book

2926
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,639
in the documentary and if we've went

2927
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:06,480
over a dozen international film festival

2928
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:09,199
awards by the way which is unheard of um

2929
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,880
it's currently on hulu for anybody

2930
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,320
that's on hulu if they want to take a

2931
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:14,560
peek at it um

2932
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:15,360
but

2933
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:20,960
working on a curriculum for fourth to to

2934
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,159
12th grade is groundbreaking called the

2935
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:26,639
out of the box the adventures of sue

2936
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:30,560
esso field observer and hugh h-u-g-h

2937
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,520
ufo and he's the alien and it's going to

2938
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:36,639
be um you know from alien perspective

2939
01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:39,119
and a human perspective and kids thirst

2940
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:40,480
for this knowledge and that's what

2941
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,599
actually prompted me to do the

2942
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:43,119
documentary because some parents had

2943
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:44,960
seen me at a barnes and noble

2944
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,920
presentation invited me somehow arranged

2945
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:49,520
i i don't know how they did this but

2946
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,599
they arranged at a middle school for me

2947
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:53,520
to come in and speak to the student body

2948
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:56,080
and there were over 200 middle school

2949
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:57,360
children

2950
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,679
that were on the edge of their chairs

2951
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,320
you could hear a pin drop they thirst

2952
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,480
for this knowledge and i realized that

2953
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:06,639
there is nothing nothing in our history

2954
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:09,199
books about this topic so i'm going to

2955
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:10,719
try to change that and that's that

2956
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:12,000
that's what i'm working on now with a

2957
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:14,960
wonderful wonderful uh teacher uh kate

2958
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:16,719
hooker who's right here in the charter

2959
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:18,159
school we already have the kids working

2960
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:20,239
on it and they love every second of it

2961
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:22,960
and uh also a disney illustrator mark

2962
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,920
magus uh down to disney world and and uh

2963
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:28,080
some other wonderful people that are

2964
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,639
this is really a grassroots effort to to

2965
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:33,199
help raise awareness and and educate the

2966
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:34,639
public through the book in the

2967
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:36,239
documentary and and now with the

2968
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,920
curriculum

2969
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,920
are you still with us

2970
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:41,440
i'm asking for your opinion doctor but

2971
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,040
i'll express a few more

2972
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:44,960
facts or observations just the size of

2973
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:47,599
the vehicle and the lack of noise and

2974
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:50,400
how can just float and take off so

2975
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,480
quickly just doesn't sound to me

2976
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:54,480
like anything we could possibly have

2977
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,239
well that that's what i keep saying i'm

2978
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,920
glad that you're sitting here too and by

2979
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:00,000
the way they were very credible people

2980
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,320
who said that it was not not a lot not a

2981
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:05,360
mile wide it was two miles wide okay we

2982
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:08,159
have people that were out in a um

2983
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:09,840
an area that was just being built that

2984
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,599
they were realtors and there were stakes

2985
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:13,840
in the ground and they knew exactly how

2986
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,800
where the stakes were and they they also

2987
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:18,560
saw the underbelly of this thing they

2988
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,639
also saw the orbs come off and then

2989
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:22,320
re-dock with it and they also saw

2990
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,520
windows with beings at the windows so

2991
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:27,199
you know yes i mean there's a there's a

2992
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,880
lot that i share in the book i'm i'm

2993
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:30,800
just telling you the tip of the iceberg

2994
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:33,360
here there's a lot more intriguing

2995
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:36,159
information uh under the surface and i i

2996
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,080
hope people pick up the book to to take

2997
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:40,400
a peek at it and also the documentary

2998
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,000
has has a pilot has military has francis

2999
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:46,159
barwood and and astronaut edgar mitchell

3000
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:47,520
and when you hear it from the people

3001
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:49,599
themselves as well as a 911 police

3002
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:51,760
operator she actually came up to me

3003
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:54,080
after a presentation and said you know i

3004
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:55,119
heard

3005
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,719
that the police said the phoenix police

3006
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,239
department said that they only got a few

3007
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,080
calls just like the air force said right

3008
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,840
but meanwhile a lot of people told me

3009
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:03,119
that they got the number for the

3010
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:04,800
national ufo reporting center from luke

3011
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,920
air force base but anyway um she said i

3012
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:09,840
just retired and i'm here to tell you we

3013
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:12,480
got hundreds and hundreds of calls and

3014
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,920
uh would you like to hear about i said

3015
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:15,360
are you kidding

3016
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:18,239
she is wonderful i mean she really you

3017
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:20,880
know lays it out and shares what what

3018
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:23,199
the callers uh told her which was very

3019
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:26,719
consistent and uh and really uh really

3020
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:29,280
mind-boggling well uh lua i think has

3021
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:30,800
another question but lou i'm gonna jump

3022
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:33,040
in for a second there's one thing that i

3023
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,040
don't know if you've ever uh i've never

3024
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:37,520
heard anybody ask you uh doctor which is

3025
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:38,639
this

3026
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:42,400
with all of the reports of the craft the

3027
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,040
v-shaped craft you could

3028
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:47,599
it blocked out the stars and there was

3029
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:49,280
other descriptions that you know you

3030
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:51,760
could almost see through the craft

3031
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:52,880
itself

3032
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:54,560
um did you

3033
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:56,880
witness any of that did you see the

3034
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:00,639
v-shape yourself or were you able to tie

3035
01:58:06,629 --> 01:58:03,199
everything together visually

3036
01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:06,639
uh no and i never you know you know some

3037
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:08,080
of the skeptics are the bunkers or

3038
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:09,440
whatever say oh they saw lights and they

3039
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,119
connected the the dots and they said it

3040
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:13,119
was a queer i didn't do that i it is

3041
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:14,960
what it is i am trying to just deal with

3042
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:16,719
the data the pictures speak for

3043
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:18,239
themselves i don't know what their

3044
01:58:21,910 --> 01:58:19,520
people ask me all the time what were

3045
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:21,920
they you know what i don't know i don't

3046
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:23,840
know where they but but i know that they

3047
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,679
were and it's time we get this topic out

3048
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:27,360
in the open and we address it and we

3049
01:58:31,109 --> 01:58:29,199
accept it we study it so we can find out

3050
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:31,119
who's driving these things as well as

3051
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:33,119
move forward in our our own evolution so

3052
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,080
i did not see crap that i know of

3053
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:38,639
okay i saw lights that were attached to

3054
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:41,679
something right

3055
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:43,599
did you see

3056
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:47,040
from your house uh overlooking phoenix

3057
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,719
did you see

3058
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:51,040
the craft that flew

3059
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:53,360
uh easterly and then south towards

3060
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:55,920
tucson did you did you witness that i

3061
01:59:01,510 --> 01:58:59,679
don't know i may have okay okay

3062
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:01,520
because you have that photograph the

3063
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:03,840
same thing you know i i took video of

3064
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:04,880
the same thing that people were

3065
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:07,440
describing statewide um you know in the

3066
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:10,320
nine o'clock hour so uh you know and i

3067
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:13,440
have to say that um you know it is what

3068
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:15,840
it is and and that that's the you know

3069
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:18,000
as i describe this uh

3070
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:19,599
grassroots effort i mean the other the

3071
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:21,199
other side of this and certainly as a

3072
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:25,440
physician um and an experiencer uh

3073
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:27,440
in the mix um you know who's really

3074
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:30,000
preparing the public for what's ahead i

3075
01:59:33,910 --> 01:59:31,760
mean if these things are real and i

3076
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:33,920
always leave the door open okay

3077
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:36,239
but if these things are real and we are

3078
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:37,440
being busy because i have to tell you

3079
01:59:40,390 --> 01:59:38,719
and that's a whole nother story that

3080
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:40,400
would be another hour

3081
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:42,560
how it affected people

3082
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:44,960
in real time and long-term

3083
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:48,000
does not happen with flares or blimps or

3084
01:59:53,510 --> 01:59:51,280
uh plane conventional aircraft even in

3085
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:53,520
real time it was amazing because six

3086
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:56,080
months before the mass sighting the uh

3087
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:57,679
movie independence day was really

3088
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,560
popular and we we addressed this in the

3089
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,239
in the documentary i mean we're so

3090
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:04,320
inundated as i said at the top with with

3091
02:00:07,589 --> 02:00:06,000
threats right threat and hormone harm i

3092
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:07,599
mean people you know everybody comes

3093
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:08,719
from a different background from a

3094
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:10,080
different upbringing

3095
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:11,840
from a different belief system some

3096
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:13,280
people can't deal with this some people

3097
02:00:16,950 --> 02:00:15,360
don't want to deal with this but now we

3098
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:16,960
have the information there but the fact

3099
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:19,599
is that um you know as these things were

3100
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,920
coming towards children particularly so

3101
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:23,599
are jumping up and down independence day

3102
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:25,199
independence day i mean your can you

3103
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,480
only imagine

3104
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:29,280
a mile wide deformation of lights at

3105
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,360
rooftop level coming towards you and

3106
02:00:35,350 --> 02:00:33,119
they were initially scared

3107
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:35,360
but because we're so

3108
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:37,599
you know just wired that way now because

3109
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,560
of the media and hollywood but as it got

3110
02:00:44,790 --> 02:00:42,560
closer this is what's really interesting

3111
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:44,800
and really important

3112
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:47,440
a calmness came over everyone

3113
02:00:51,030 --> 02:00:49,520
not only children but adults as well a

3114
02:00:52,950 --> 02:00:51,040
connectedness

3115
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:52,960
to the phenomena

3116
02:00:58,470 --> 02:00:55,280
people some people even got a telepathic

3117
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:58,480
message not to be afraid

3118
02:01:02,790 --> 02:00:59,520
what about

3119
02:01:04,390 --> 02:01:02,800
that's the obvious uh next question did

3120
02:01:06,790 --> 02:01:04,400
you feel

3121
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:06,800
any communication and lou i know you're

3122
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:08,639
probably still hanging on here i don't

3123
02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:10,480
know if you have another question this

3124
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:12,080
will be a second i just want to thank

3125
02:01:16,229 --> 02:01:13,360
the doctor and say to jimmy it's a

3126
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,239
particularly good show

3127
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:18,719
yeah thank you thank you

3128
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:20,800
um but okay it just just to finish i

3129
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,560
mean after passed over

3130
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:24,159
kids wanted to chase after it and wanted

3131
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:25,920
their parents to chase after it i mean

3132
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,400
it was in real time a positive

3133
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:30,400
transformation whoever was doing this

3134
02:01:36,070 --> 02:01:33,119
not only wanted to be seen obviously but

3135
02:01:38,470 --> 02:01:36,080
also was touching people one person at a

3136
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,480
time and waking them up and this talk

3137
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:40,080
about long-term and i really get into

3138
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:42,159
this in the book i mean people change

3139
02:01:46,390 --> 02:01:44,400
their eating habits to vegetarian some

3140
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:46,400
people went into the peace movement the

3141
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:48,960
environmental movement it really woke

3142
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:52,800
people up to the connectedness to

3143
02:01:56,470 --> 02:01:54,560
the earth into each other into the

3144
02:01:58,629 --> 02:01:56,480
universe and that we're not alone i mean

3145
02:02:01,350 --> 02:01:58,639
whoever did this really in a gentle

3146
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:01,360
again there has not been one not one

3147
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:03,920
report and over 17 years of harm threat

3148
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:05,760
or abduction associated with the phoenix

3149
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:07,920
flights i can't talk for other things

3150
02:02:11,589 --> 02:02:09,040
but i can

3151
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:11,599
discuss the phoenix lights in that

3152
02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:14,480
framework there has not been one report

3153
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,360
and

3154
02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:17,360
it was just the contrary people were in

3155
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:19,599
awe people were in wonder just like i

3156
02:02:24,070 --> 02:02:21,920
was when when i saw these close orbs i

3157
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:24,080
mean it was mesmerizing i wasn't

3158
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:25,840
not for a mini

3159
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,639
second was i was i scared it was just

3160
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:31,360
peaceful and and and wondrous and and

3161
02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:33,520
awesome and you hear that over and over

3162
02:02:37,109 --> 02:02:34,880
i have people tell me all the time that

3163
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:37,119
they feel blessed that they actually saw

3164
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,040
the phoenix light so i'm going to change

3165
02:02:43,109 --> 02:02:41,119
their life forever did you and it's not

3166
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:43,119
a believing by the way jim it's not a

3167
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:46,880
believing sure knowing sure sure

3168
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:49,679
did you feel a connection was there a

3169
02:02:55,109 --> 02:02:53,520
message to you uh that evening or let's

3170
02:02:57,750 --> 02:02:55,119
back up too

3171
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:57,760
with uh the other orbs that you had shot

3172
02:03:01,990 --> 02:02:59,040
from your home

3173
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:02,000
was there a message there

3174
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:03,520
uh you'll have to read the book for that

3175
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,480
oh you can't do that

3176
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:09,360
not on this show

3177
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:11,679
i mean i mean for another hour because

3178
02:03:15,109 --> 02:03:13,520
as i as i mentioned i had a near-death

3179
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:15,119
experience as a child and what was

3180
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:17,520
really fascinating was that a number of

3181
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:20,080
other people shared with me uh including

3182
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:21,920
other physicians by the way who saw the

3183
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:24,320
phoenix flight uh that they had had

3184
02:03:28,229 --> 02:03:25,840
near-death experiences as children that

3185
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:28,239
was reawakened by the mass sighting and

3186
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:30,080
i found that really curious i thought

3187
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:31,440
well could there possibly be a

3188
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:32,480
connection

3189
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:34,400
between all unexplained phenomena

3190
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,000
whether it's near death experience out

3191
02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:38,400
of body unexplained aerial phenomena

3192
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,400
that have a mystical light associated

3193
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:42,480
with that experience and all when i

3194
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:44,320
started looking into that

3195
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:46,960
um i found such credible data and

3196
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:48,800
studies being done at university level

3197
02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:51,920
by uh the uh uh by dr kenneth ring the

3198
02:03:56,149 --> 02:03:53,599
omega project which is like a four inch

3199
02:03:57,790 --> 02:03:56,159
book um right dr raymond fowler if

3200
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:57,800
you've ever heard of of him he did the

3201
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,960
origin case um as well as dr bruce

3202
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:02,639
grayson who was very acclaimed in your

3203
02:04:06,709 --> 02:04:05,040
death experience um what's really

3204
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:06,719
interesting is that all of those

3205
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:09,199
experiences i saw calling them them up

3206
02:04:14,470 --> 02:04:12,480
unexplained phenomenon up you paying up

3207
02:04:16,149 --> 02:04:14,480
because the experience itself i laid out

3208
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:16,159
very simply in the book

3209
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,880
is very similar and i i list the

3210
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:20,719
similarities in the book but the most

3211
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:23,360
profound is the after effect the

3212
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:26,480
positive awakening the enlightenment uh

3213
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:28,800
a person is changed to the soul i mean

3214
02:04:34,070 --> 02:04:31,920
it is so such a deep deep

3215
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,080
positive transformation and that doesn't

3216
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:36,560
happen with flares and balloons and

3217
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,760
blimps and helicopters so you know

3218
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:41,199
that's that's another

3219
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:43,360
component of the phoenix lights that is

3220
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:45,360
very to me it's very very important

3221
02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:47,440
because it's changing our consciousness

3222
02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:49,119
it's it's uh

3223
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,159
really opening us up to the wonders of

3224
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:54,239
the universe and that we're not alone

3225
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:56,480
and that something is visiting us to not

3226
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:58,960
only to to wake us up to their presence

3227
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:01,119
in a gentle non-threatening way

3228
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:04,159
but also to who we are as human beings

3229
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:05,280
and

3230
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,960
many many people have been awakened

3231
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:09,119
spiritually and and you know it's not a

3232
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:11,520
new agey thing it's just really

3233
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,800
getting down to the soul and

3234
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:14,400
particularly if

3235
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:15,920
we're connected and there is a spirit

3236
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:18,000
world i mean people ask me again all the

3237
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:19,920
time who what are these things i don't

3238
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:22,080
know i mean are they inner cellar

3239
02:05:27,990 --> 02:05:25,040
interdimensional uh time travelers

3240
02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:28,000
spirit world or probably all the above

3241
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:30,400
but now we're starting to get glimpses

3242
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:32,960
um and that's why i'm sharing

3243
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:34,480
the missing time

3244
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:36,320
pictures for the very first time in that

3245
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:39,679
study because we've come such a long way

3246
02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:41,440
i mean particularly since i came forward

3247
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:43,840
in 2004 with quantum physics and quantum

3248
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:44,960
mechanics

3249
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:45,760
they

3250
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:47,520
you know we're we're now talking about

3251
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:49,360
ten or eleven different dimensions and

3252
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:52,480
string theory and double bubble theory

3253
02:05:58,070 --> 02:05:55,119
and uh you know if there's other times

3254
02:06:00,629 --> 02:05:58,080
and spaces along with ours

3255
02:06:02,229 --> 02:06:00,639
then why is it such a leap to think that

3256
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:02,239
there might be other beings

3257
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:03,760
intelligences

3258
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:06,639
in those other times and spaces that we

3259
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:09,599
get glimpses of if we're open to it or

3260
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:10,639
invited

3261
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:14,560
now that wasn't the end of of everything

3262
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:16,880
after the mass sighting there there were

3263
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:19,119
so many more after that

3264
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,840
and and go and let's let's get to that

3265
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:23,520
this is fade to black i'm your host

3266
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,800
jimmy church we're on the dark matter

3267
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,960
radio network we are talking to lynn

3268
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:28,560
kitt dr

3269
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,520
lynn ketai about the phoenix lights and

3270
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:33,760
and and the thing is

3271
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:35,599
and you and i talked about this a coup

3272
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:38,239
uh or earlier in the week which is

3273
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,040
the the mass sighting incident is one

3274
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:43,840
thing but i think the most extraordinary

3275
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:45,679
part of the story for me is your

3276
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:49,280
experiences way before that and also

3277
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:51,440
after that and everybody talks about

3278
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:53,520
that night of march 13th

3279
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:57,199
but there's more to the story and on on

3280
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:59,599
our site here and on your site in our

3281
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:00,719
gallery

3282
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:03,360
there are the photographs that you uh

3283
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:06,159
have up and posted the for me well

3284
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:08,719
actually there's two two weird things

3285
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:11,599
here there's the shots here of

3286
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,560
september 16 2002

3287
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,320
right and are you ready for this are you

3288
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,920
sitting down

3289
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:20,000
yeah the pictures that you took on my

3290
02:07:23,149 --> 02:07:21,440
birthday

3291
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:23,159
october 10th

3292
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:26,719
2001. that's my birthday and that's

3293
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:29,520
one month after 9 11. one month after 9

3294
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:33,360
11 and also the date is one zero one

3295
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:36,320
zero zero one which is kind of a trippy

3296
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,000
thing if you're into those

3297
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,800
uh numerology uh things and i and i

3298
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:43,040
won't forget that that indeed was a

3299
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:44,400
month after

3300
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:46,719
uh september 11th so

3301
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,400
but the pictures that you took on

3302
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:51,119
september 16th we have these posted up

3303
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:52,000
here

3304
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:55,280
um on the site and i think it's

3305
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:58,880
uh it's the second row let me let me

3306
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:02,239
actually count over it's the second row

3307
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:04,719
uh a second to last picture of the

3308
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:07,119
bottom row picture number nine

3309
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:09,199
what can you tell us about this evening

3310
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:12,320
and what compelled you to take this is

3311
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:14,079
out of all of your shots it looks like

3312
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:18,159
because i just lost it's the three orb v

3313
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:21,199
okay the big v it's like a and uh with

3314
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,040
the top one and then two underneath yes

3315
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:25,040
yes yes okay that was the picture

3316
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:26,880
actually and i grabbed that

3317
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:29,280
off of the um

3318
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,280
uh off of the footage

3319
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:33,679
that we took in two thousand and

3320
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:35,280
nineteen ninety eight there was a big

3321
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:37,679
sighting that i mentioned a year after

3322
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:39,040
the mass sighting

3323
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:40,480
and i

3324
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:47,440
in the book um it is so fascinating just

3325
02:08:50,229 --> 02:08:48,880
how this very important by the way i

3326
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,239
didn't want to tell the story i just

3327
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:51,760
wanted to get the data out there but it

3328
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,159
was so boring it was like i really had a

3329
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:56,639
you know soul search and say okay and

3330
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,040
and and as i mentioned at the beginning

3331
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,119
the pictures did not turn out

3332
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,000
at the time uh from two two months

3333
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:06,960
before but um there was something that

3334
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:08,480
happened uh

3335
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:12,079
a week later after i saw uh jim deltoso

3336
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:15,280
on on tv that night that uh made me take

3337
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,440
the negatives back to the uh

3338
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:19,360
photographer to the photographer

3339
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:21,040
professional photographer and that's

3340
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:22,320
when they found

3341
02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:24,320
the pictures that were there which was

3342
02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:26,320
pretty amazing in and of itself so see

3343
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:28,079
as the story unfolded i mean more and

3344
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:28,880
more

3345
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:31,599
things were just totally absurd and in

3346
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:34,159
1998

3347
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:36,159
there was actually i mean there we have

3348
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,320
very low humidity it might be very hot

3349
02:09:43,669 --> 02:09:40,880
now like it's a hundred dead but our

3350
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:43,679
humidity is like four or nine percent

3351
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:48,159
and um we rarely if ever have a fog

3352
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:51,440
and this particular weekend um there was

3353
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:52,560
a fog

3354
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:53,280
and

3355
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:55,360
it was just absurd because we could not

3356
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:56,639
even see

3357
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:58,239
beyond our street

3358
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:00,239
and my husband would joke around or they

3359
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:02,400
could be there but we don't see them and

3360
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:05,040
it was really eerie very very eerie

3361
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:07,840
and by monday it started to dissipate a

3362
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:09,840
little bit but it was still

3363
02:10:13,830 --> 02:10:12,000
pretty sick and we were standing out on

3364
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:13,840
the balcony it was still warm outside

3365
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:15,760
and suddenly i see

3366
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:17,679
two lights appear right behind my

3367
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:19,679
husband's head and it was

3368
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:22,000
you know i hadn't seen anything remotely

3369
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:23,920
like the phoenix flight since march 13th

3370
02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:26,480
1997 during the mass sighting at that

3371
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:27,679
point

3372
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:28,719
and

3373
02:10:34,149 --> 02:10:32,719
were muted because of the fog out there

3374
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:34,159
really thick fog

3375
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:36,880
uh but i went inside and i i grabbed my

3376
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:39,360
my canon and thematic and i got a couple

3377
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:42,639
pictures and i had by that time uh met

3378
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:44,239
with the university of arizona optical

3379
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:45,440
science born actually the head of the

3380
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:46,960
optical science department had worked on

3381
02:10:51,830 --> 02:10:49,119
the star wars uh

3382
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:51,840
project and and he ultimately became uh

3383
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:55,199
dr richard uh powell became a vice

3384
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:57,760
president of of research at a at the

3385
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:00,400
university of uh arizona and he was

3386
02:11:05,510 --> 02:11:03,920
enamored by my data and he said you know

3387
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:05,520
i had to get a better camera if they

3388
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:07,599
came back because i was you know using

3389
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:10,159
it about a camera so i called him up the

3390
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:12,000
next morning and i said

3391
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:14,239
uh you know what should i do and he said

3392
02:11:17,750 --> 02:11:15,520
you've got to get a top-of-the-line

3393
02:11:19,350 --> 02:11:17,760
camera with tell lens and a star filter

3394
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:19,360
and all this and gave me instructions i

3395
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:20,800
went out in the whole day i was running

3396
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:22,480
around just in case they came back that

3397
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:23,520
night

3398
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:25,679
well they did and those pictures are

3399
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:29,040
also on the on the website photo page um

3400
02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:31,119
which are pretty neat pictures as well

3401
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:33,280
and it serendipitously

3402
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:34,079
uh

3403
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:37,280
the next day i had a meeting at village

3404
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:40,239
labs and i shared with them that i had

3405
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:41,760
seen these lights for the last couple

3406
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:44,079
nights and that they looked similar to

3407
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:45,599
the phoenix place but they were a little

3408
02:11:49,830 --> 02:11:47,679
muted but had a feeling they might come

3409
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:49,840
back a third night so to contact and i

3410
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:51,760
hadn't even met them yet by the way to

3411
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:53,520
contact the other people that have taken

3412
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:55,760
video the night of march thirteenth

3413
02:12:01,589 --> 02:11:58,400
which also serendipitously were north

3414
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:01,599
south east and west so they did

3415
02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:03,920
and about eight o'clock it was like a

3416
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:05,920
communication thing which now we have by

3417
02:12:10,390 --> 02:12:08,239
the way if lights start popping up and i

3418
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,400
i get calls from the media all the time

3419
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:11,840
as soon as there's something strange out

3420
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:14,079
there but um but anyway we all

3421
02:12:20,069 --> 02:12:18,079
coordinated and actually captured a

3422
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:20,079
it was unbelievable i mean a 20-minute

3423
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:21,440
array of

3424
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,480
40 miles wide of of straight lines and i

3425
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,079
mean you look at the footage it's just

3426
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:28,880
unbelievable through a fog um mirror

3427
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:32,159
images and and there was one triangle

3428
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:35,679
way out in um uh buckeye uh that an

3429
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:38,000
older couple was shooting that would

3430
02:12:42,390 --> 02:12:40,719
appear and then disappear and then

3431
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:42,400
appear in the same spot and then

3432
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:44,960
disappear and then appear again a number

3433
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,880
of times and the final finale was this

3434
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:50,239
giant

3435
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:53,360
pyramid of three lights

3436
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:55,840
in the same exact spot again

3437
02:12:59,270 --> 02:12:57,440
that was a finale

3438
02:13:02,709 --> 02:12:59,280
and looking at this uh picture from

3439
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:02,719
september 16th this also

3440
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:05,360
to me because i know phoenix so well

3441
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:06,880
this looks like

3442
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:10,079
it's closer to you and not directly over

3443
02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:11,840
phoenix

3444
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:14,960
is that am i looking at this correctly

3445
02:13:22,069 --> 02:13:18,560
um okay we have uh

3446
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:22,079
okay this is 2002 yeah this is september

3447
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,400
16th 2002 2002 okay um there is there's

3448
02:13:30,629 --> 02:13:28,239
a little bit of a story to that that's a

3449
02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:30,639
giant triangle too right yes i'm sorry

3450
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:32,480
i'm not i don't have my computer on here

3451
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:34,719
um

3452
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:36,560
there's a story to this the the year

3453
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,350
um but the year before and it is a

3454
02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:45,679
visual um

3455
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:47,920
our younger son who is a medical school

3456
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:50,239
uh at the time had one he was down in

3457
02:13:54,550 --> 02:13:52,480
tucson and he had one night a year that

3458
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:54,560
he every a month excuse me one night a

3459
02:13:58,870 --> 02:13:56,800
month that he would come stay overnight

3460
02:14:03,109 --> 02:13:58,880
and go to classes the next day

3461
02:14:05,910 --> 02:14:03,119
and um we we actually were uh we're

3462
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:05,920
watching a news report after studying on

3463
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:08,320
the new on the news that um

3464
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:12,560
uh that showed a uh crop circle that had

3465
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:14,639
just formed and he turned to my husband

3466
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:16,719
and i and this is like the late news and

3467
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:18,560
he said i wish i could see the phoenix

3468
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:19,679
lights and

3469
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:21,760
uh you know i'm looking out our window

3470
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:23,520
and thinking to myself well you know if

3471
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:25,119
anybody would really appreciate the

3472
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:27,599
phoenix slate stanwood because

3473
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:29,679
uh number one he was the only person

3474
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:32,880
that read my 750 page journal okay and i

3475
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:34,000
didn't know what to do with it it was

3476
02:14:39,270 --> 02:14:36,239
just a mishmash of so much and i i asked

3477
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:39,280
his advice he's very bright and just a

3478
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,800
heart of gold and

3479
02:14:44,390 --> 02:14:42,800
i just really value his opinion and and

3480
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:44,400
he said mom

3481
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:46,239
you have to do this this is too

3482
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:48,159
important not to share and everything

3483
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,000
you've done has led up to this from the

3484
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:52,239
math phase right well anyway if anybody

3485
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,079
would appreciate seeing the phoenix like

3486
02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:56,079
he would and i was just looking out the

3487
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:58,960
window thinking myself oh you know if if

3488
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:01,199
only they would appear not just one or

3489
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:03,599
two but if there were three what could

3490
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,719
that be

3491
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:07,040
and the report finished and i'm talking

3492
02:15:10,709 --> 02:15:09,040
abby and that's the picture before

3493
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:10,719
they're close three that are close

3494
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:13,760
together you see that there

3495
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:16,880
um and my husband and he runs outside

3496
02:15:20,830 --> 02:15:18,960
and and i'm telling you it was so

3497
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:20,840
exciting for them and they fell off the

3498
02:15:26,069 --> 02:15:23,599
chair that popped up and they ran

3499
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:26,079
outside and and you know my my son who

3500
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:27,360
was a medical school was doing a

3501
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:29,119
differential diagnosis you know well

3502
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,320
they can't be flared they can't be

3503
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:32,079
blooms and they can't be you know he

3504
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:33,679
they were so excited it's funny to

3505
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:35,760
listen to the to the video well the

3506
02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:39,679
following year one year later

3507
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:42,079
he was also here just one night one

3508
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:45,520
night a month and uh our we raised

3509
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,360
german shepherds and

3510
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,520
uh we had to put down our prize german

3511
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:50,880
shepherd that day

3512
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:53,599
for bone kid bone cancer and he had

3513
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:56,239
grown up with her and it was really i

3514
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:57,920
mean it was just tearing us all apart

3515
02:16:04,390 --> 02:15:58,880
and

3516
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,400
upstairs uh about 11 30 after he studied

3517
02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:06,400
and we went out on the balcony and

3518
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:08,560
were in each other's arms crying and

3519
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,199
suddenly he says mom look at that

3520
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:13,119
and we both looked up and that's that

3521
02:16:17,830 --> 02:16:15,599
picture that you asked me about and he

3522
02:16:20,069 --> 02:16:17,840
turned to me and he said mom they're

3523
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:20,079
here to come for you

3524
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:21,599
that was his

3525
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:23,119
take on it wow

3526
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:23,920
wow

3527
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:27,280
now since you asked yeah well you know

3528
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:28,800
that's exactly what happened and it was

3529
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:31,360
like this is 11 30 at night we weren't

3530
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:33,040
thinking about you know the phoenix

3531
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:35,519
lights at all we were really you know

3532
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:36,880
deep in in

3533
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:38,160
in uh

3534
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:41,200
in thought and and grieving and it was

3535
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:44,319
just an amazing experience now working

3536
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:46,319
coincidence what can you tell me about

3537
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:49,120
this picture that was taken on 10 10.

3538
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:50,559
there's a couple of things that come to

3539
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:52,399
mind immediately with this picture it

3540
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:56,399
was one month after 9 11. if i if i

3541
02:17:01,990 --> 02:16:59,760
if my memory is correct i think

3542
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:02,000
i mean weren't all flights still down in

3543
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:04,080
the united states there was nothing

3544
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:05,840
i mean that seemed to

3545
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:08,880
you know so yes not only that but

3546
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:11,840
um by then and and you're asking such

3547
02:17:15,750 --> 02:17:13,840
great

3548
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:15,760
because by then

3549
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:18,319
um and i actually didn't know that i had

3550
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:21,200
that picture in my in my camera

3551
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:24,240
it had been sitting there until um for

3552
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:25,920
years

3553
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:28,240
um until i almost published the book we

3554
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:29,519
were getting ready to publish the book

3555
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:32,000
and i figured i'd i get the the film

3556
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:33,760
developed and there it was and it was

3557
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:36,800
like oh my goodness um

3558
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:37,439
and

3559
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,559
that picture i mean come on what is that

3560
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:42,479
i've asked people all the time what is

3561
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:45,679
that um but yes what what happened was

3562
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:47,359
that by then

3563
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:50,240
um you know i had done so much research

3564
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:52,240
and the message

3565
02:17:55,190 --> 02:17:54,160
the message you asked about the message

3566
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:55,200
well

3567
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:57,439
the the bottom line for near that

3568
02:18:01,910 --> 02:18:01,040
experiences too uh as well as contactees

3569
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,920
is

3570
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:03,280
wake up

3571
02:18:07,910 --> 02:18:05,359
to what we're doing to ourselves and our

3572
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,920
planet before it's too late and if

3573
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:09,280
that's not a reason to come forward i

3574
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:10,479
don't know what is but at any rate

3575
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,000
that's the message

3576
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:14,880
that these anomalous phenomena

3577
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,280
are giving to people worldwide

3578
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:20,160
and we're watching the news this is one

3579
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:21,760
month after 9 11

3580
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:24,960
and every news station is talking about

3581
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:28,000
the anthrax scare remember that yep okay

3582
02:18:32,709 --> 02:18:30,639
that had just started and it was scary

3583
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:32,719
okay and our older son was in law school

3584
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:35,040
and at ucla and we're thinking you know

3585
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:36,399
something going to happen in la i mean

3586
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:38,479
it was a scary time right

3587
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:39,280
and

3588
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:41,040
i have to tell you i mean it's not in my

3589
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:42,960
nature to to panic

3590
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,000
but i i mean just every news station was

3591
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,679
talking about the anthrax scare someone

3592
02:18:51,669 --> 02:18:49,439
were talking about nuclear possibilities

3593
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:51,679
in the nuclear shelters that are here in

3594
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:53,359
arizona they were show i mean it was

3595
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:55,280
like what is going on

3596
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:57,599
and i thought to myself oh my goodness

3597
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:59,679
is that what the phoenix lights is all

3598
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:00,639
about

3599
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,160
is it too late

3600
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:04,639
i mean today and we hadn't seen them by

3601
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,599
the way

3602
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:07,599
i do have some sunset shots that are

3603
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,559
unbelievable of like cigar shape things

3604
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,479
in the in the sunset that are on the 35

3605
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:15,040
millimeter negatives and that's another

3606
02:19:18,150 --> 02:19:15,840
thing

3607
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:18,160
but i hadn't seen any lights

3608
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:22,240
on you know for years and since 98

3609
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,359
and

3610
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:25,519
you know i'm thinking is that is it too

3611
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:27,040
late and i and i'm looking out at the

3612
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:29,200
sky and i'm thinking and this is very

3613
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:31,599
soulful i mean you know i i've been

3614
02:19:35,830 --> 02:19:33,840
asked by dr gary schwartz who wrote the

3615
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:35,840
introduction to the book uh he was the

3616
02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:37,120
head of the consciousness studies

3617
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:38,559
department down at the university of

3618
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:41,040
arizona to go out and try to you know

3619
02:19:45,429 --> 02:19:43,359
invite them in and take i i don't go

3620
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:45,439
there to me that's a circus act but

3621
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:47,280
these few times that it was really

3622
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:49,439
soulful but it was that was

3623
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:51,760
really deep and and

3624
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:53,600
you know i mean i was in a panic mode i

3625
02:19:59,590 --> 02:19:56,560
have to tell you i mean i i really

3626
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:59,600
was in a panic mode and and thinking do

3627
02:20:02,710 --> 02:20:01,120
you know what happened here where are

3628
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,720
you why haven't you shown yourself are

3629
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:05,200
you real you know what what what should

3630
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:08,080
we do and within a heartbeat

3631
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:10,000
there it was

3632
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,160
they were i have a an email that just

3633
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:14,399
came in i just well i have a ton of

3634
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:17,840
email but this was ask the doctor as if

3635
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:19,680
she ever deals with

3636
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:23,439
contact-e medical symptoms

3637
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,120
do you ever have any contactees

3638
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,439
contact you because you are a doctor and

3639
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:31,840
they may have some issues

3640
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:34,880
um actually because i am so busy with

3641
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,319
what i'm doing now with the phoenix

3642
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:39,200
lights in the curriculum um i i've kind

3643
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:41,840
of stepped away from from practicing

3644
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:44,160
medicine uh that way but i still am

3645
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,800
practicing medicine in fact george napat

3646
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:49,040
when i was um presenting for the

3647
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:52,399
smithsonian uh museum in in las vegas uh

3648
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:55,200
last year you know the do you did you

3649
02:20:59,030 --> 02:20:57,200
still practice and i have to tell you i

3650
02:21:00,550 --> 02:20:59,040
practice every day i have people and i

3651
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:00,560
welcome emails

3652
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:03,200
uh from people um because i think it is

3653
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:06,560
so important it's healing to be able to

3654
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,479
share and that's that's a big reason i

3655
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,560
came forward i mean it's we gotta get

3656
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:12,399
this out in the open it's enough i mean

3657
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,880
it's it's if you if you don't share

3658
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:16,399
your experience even though it might be

3659
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:19,200
explained but to you it's real um it

3660
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:21,760
festers and that's not healthy and when

3661
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,240
you do share it's very cathartic it is

3662
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:26,800
so healing and i i tell people all the

3663
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:28,160
time and it might take a little time for

3664
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,399
me to get back to you but i try to get

3665
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,040
back to every email or that that emails

3666
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,280
me and and many i've had thousands and

3667
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:37,200
thousands i mean

3668
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:39,600
tens of thousands of people email me to

3669
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,760
tell me their stories and and that's

3670
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:43,840
healthy that's healthy it's it's

3671
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:45,439
important that we do that and hopefully

3672
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:46,960
we'll be able to get it out in the open

3673
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:49,200
more and more but even if you just want

3674
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:50,479
to share with me

3675
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:52,160
good get on the website the phoenix

3676
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:54,240
lights.net the contact is right at the

3677
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:55,359
top

3678
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:57,520
and uh you know tell me what you want to

3679
02:22:02,710 --> 02:21:59,520
tell me because it's there's a lot of

3680
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,720
stories out there uh and uh it's a

3681
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:04,640
fascinating topic and it's important

3682
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:06,640
that we really get it out in the open

3683
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:08,479
and we talk about it and if you have had

3684
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:10,880
an experience um i i know that there's

3685
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,520
some people out there that do that as

3686
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:15,760
their their medical practice um at this

3687
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,399
point i don't maybe one day i will but

3688
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:20,399
um certainly if you'd like to email me

3689
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:23,439
and and share um i welcome that

3690
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,160
how does the how do these messages come

3691
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:28,319
to you

3692
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:29,200
uh

3693
02:22:34,309 --> 02:22:32,960
near-death experience well that's that's

3694
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:34,319
fine i mean

3695
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:35,359
i mean

3696
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,479
because

3697
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,240
we have so many guests on this show and

3698
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:41,040
i'm in contact with so many uh

3699
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:43,760
i almost said contact e twice but i'm in

3700
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,160
contact with so many and

3701
02:22:50,469 --> 02:22:48,640
and i it's one of the conversations and

3702
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:50,479
questions i need to get out i need to

3703
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:51,359
know

3704
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:52,640
how does

3705
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:55,040
the communication happen

3706
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:57,920
well actually i give 10 10 ways to

3707
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,840
communicate with these other

3708
02:23:03,349 --> 02:23:01,520
intelligences hold on let me get it let

3709
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:03,359
me get out my paper here let's start no

3710
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:05,359
no no no we're gonna we're not gonna go

3711
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:07,600
through that now but i i will share i

3712
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:08,720
will share

3713
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,760
that

3714
02:23:13,349 --> 02:23:11,600
um you know

3715
02:23:14,710 --> 02:23:13,359
and i don't know if there's a connection

3716
02:23:17,429 --> 02:23:14,720
i certainly have been told that there

3717
02:23:18,710 --> 02:23:17,439
probably is because during my near-death

3718
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:18,720
experience

3719
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,399
and i really did have a near-death

3720
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:22,880
experience uh when i was eight years old

3721
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:25,600
uh and in a dentist office and had ether

3722
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:28,560
in 56 they were putting either uh they

3723
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,920
were using ether at the time which is

3724
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:31,200
very dangerous

3725
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:34,720
and uh for a child particularly and um

3726
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,800
and i and i had in your death experience

3727
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:38,800
i mean all the all the ingredients of a

3728
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,359
near-death experience of being uh sucked

3729
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:43,920
out of your body and and uh you know

3730
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,280
actually i

3731
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:48,560
had a very short life review of my mom

3732
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:51,600
uh who doted on me and uh

3733
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:52,960
you know i was in professional musical

3734
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:56,000
theater at the time and um and and i

3735
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:58,479
knew that if i died i actually was going

3736
02:24:01,990 --> 02:24:00,960
around in a um

3737
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:02,000
and i don't want to get into all the

3738
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:04,080
details um but

3739
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:04,960
uh

3740
02:24:08,469 --> 02:24:06,479
it was just a classic near-death

3741
02:24:09,349 --> 02:24:08,479
experience and i shot up about above the

3742
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,359
earth

3743
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:12,000
and what was poignant the most poignant

3744
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:14,479
thing was that

3745
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:16,880
now i wasn't panicked anymore that i was

3746
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:18,880
going to die and that i was going to

3747
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:21,040
you know hurt my mother but

3748
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:24,880
i saw three giant beings in glowing

3749
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:26,240
white robes

3750
02:24:29,830 --> 02:24:28,000
with hoods over their heads and i tried

3751
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:29,840
to see their faces

3752
02:24:33,910 --> 02:24:31,840
and i could not see their faces their

3753
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:33,920
hoods were like over their face

3754
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:34,640
and

3755
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:35,600
uh

3756
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:37,200
but i felt

3757
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:38,080
their

3758
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:40,319
unconditional love for me and i knew

3759
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:42,479
they knew who i was they just knew who i

3760
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:43,359
was

3761
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:45,680
and as we were there

3762
02:24:48,309 --> 02:24:47,120
just floating

3763
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:48,319
they

3764
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:50,479
were looking down on earth and i and i

3765
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:52,560
turned to look on earth to earth and it

3766
02:24:56,309 --> 02:24:54,160
was like i had a

3767
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:56,319
uh powerful telescope they could see

3768
02:25:00,230 --> 02:24:58,160
what people were doing down on earth and

3769
02:25:03,110 --> 02:25:00,240
i was watching

3770
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,120
uh school kids jump over hopscotch you

3771
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:05,359
know the the truck catch the hopscotch

3772
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,479
uh games on the sidewalk and um i

3773
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:10,960
thought a guy put out a sign to hearken

3774
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:12,800
the opening of his store and i saw a

3775
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:14,399
milkman delivering milk at the door

3776
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:16,560
which they were doing in 56

3777
02:25:19,590 --> 02:25:17,600
and

3778
02:25:21,270 --> 02:25:19,600
the one thing that really

3779
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:21,280
got me and and we're talking you asked

3780
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:23,200
me earlier about my parents i mean they

3781
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:25,840
were you know we were so involved with

3782
02:25:29,429 --> 02:25:27,600
so many different things i mean we never

3783
02:25:31,190 --> 02:25:29,439
we were spiritual but we really weren't

3784
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,200
religious we they never talked about

3785
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:33,040
that stuff i mean i it wasn't anything

3786
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:34,160
that i could have

3787
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:36,160
been taught okay and i was very

3788
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:40,560
sheltered okay and and um very naive

3789
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:41,359
but

3790
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:42,960
as i'm watching people doing what

3791
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:44,800
they're doing i knew what was going to

3792
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:46,319
come next

3793
02:25:50,950 --> 02:25:48,960
and i'm thinking to myself wait a minute

3794
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:50,960
if if i know what's going to come next

3795
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:52,319
does that mean that we don't have a

3796
02:25:56,150 --> 02:25:54,640
choice of what comes before us right

3797
02:25:58,389 --> 02:25:56,160
we're talking about an eight-year-old

3798
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:58,399
right and suddenly i think

3799
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:01,600
wait a minute we might not have a choice

3800
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,080
of what comes before us but we do have a

3801
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:06,880
choice of what we do with that situation

3802
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:09,359
if we take advantage of that opportunity

3803
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:12,160
how we treat that person that we meet

3804
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:13,439
and

3805
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,640
then i think to myself wait a minute

3806
02:26:21,590 --> 02:26:19,200
if these beings are watching us and

3807
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:21,600
remember the watchers okay we've heard

3808
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:23,760
about the watchers and equity

3809
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,439
and but that's this isn't this is my

3810
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:27,200
experience

3811
02:26:34,150 --> 02:26:31,040
then if they're giving us a stimulus

3812
02:26:37,190 --> 02:26:34,160
and watching our reaction

3813
02:26:39,110 --> 02:26:37,200
human beings but an experiment

3814
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:39,120
that was my thought and with that

3815
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,160
thought i hear a magnanimous male voice

3816
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:44,160
say it's not your time it's not your

3817
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:45,600
time you have to go back there's a

3818
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:47,600
reason you have to go back

3819
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:49,520
and i have to be honest i've been

3820
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:52,160
looking for that reason ever since

3821
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:55,600
and i also came back with

3822
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:57,600
a knowledge way beyond my years that i

3823
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:58,720
thought everybody had i thought

3824
02:27:02,150 --> 02:27:00,479
everybody knew the secret right that

3825
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:02,160
everybody was empathic i thought

3826
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:04,000
everybody was psychic and i think

3827
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:06,960
everybody is it's how you how much you

3828
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:08,479
develop that

3829
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:10,800
so when the three lights appeared

3830
02:27:14,950 --> 02:27:12,880
outside our window the night before my

3831
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:14,960
birthday february 6 my birthday's

3832
02:27:19,349 --> 02:27:16,720
february 7th

3833
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,359
um you know i i've had people tell me

3834
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:21,760
that that might be connected in some way

3835
02:27:24,950 --> 02:27:23,760
and maybe it is i don't know

3836
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:24,960
i don't know

3837
02:27:29,830 --> 02:27:27,359
but i do feel that spirit world is

3838
02:27:32,070 --> 02:27:29,840
connected with all of this in some way

3839
02:27:33,110 --> 02:27:32,080
and if people realize

3840
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:33,120
that

3841
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:35,359
we do go on

3842
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:36,720
and i actually have a picture that

3843
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:38,080
proves that we do

3844
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:39,760
that's all another story

3845
02:27:43,670 --> 02:27:40,880
um

3846
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:43,680
then maybe they would really take stock

3847
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,240
because it will affect their destiny

3848
02:27:50,710 --> 02:27:48,080
selfishly

3849
02:27:53,030 --> 02:27:50,720
forever well what do you want to do to

3850
02:27:55,750 --> 02:27:53,040
other people and our planet what do you

3851
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:55,760
think is next now that all of this has

3852
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:56,840
happened

3853
02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:59,760
and it seems like you're you're a type

3854
02:28:03,030 --> 02:28:01,680
of vessel or something that you know a

3855
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:03,040
lot of things have happened to you

3856
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:06,000
directly that were out of your control

3857
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:08,080
what what is next

3858
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:09,840
you know that's a really good question

3859
02:28:14,070 --> 02:28:12,160
too and and and just

3860
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:14,080
finish up to answer your question i have

3861
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:16,160
felt that these beings

3862
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:17,280
whatever they are and i always thought

3863
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:19,040
they were spirit world until the phoenix

3864
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:21,040
life happened now i don't know

3865
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:23,840
but whatever um i have felt that they

3866
02:28:28,389 --> 02:28:26,160
have been my guide my whole life you

3867
02:28:30,550 --> 02:28:28,399
would you would ask that question and

3868
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:30,560
uh to be totally

3869
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:33,760
honest and open i have i have

3870
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:36,479
every time that i've had some kind of a

3871
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:39,280
crosswords or a big decision to make

3872
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:41,439
um i will meditate

3873
02:28:44,710 --> 02:28:43,520
and in my own way communicate i guess

3874
02:28:47,270 --> 02:28:44,720
with them

3875
02:28:50,070 --> 02:28:47,280
and i get answers i don't hear voices

3876
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:50,080
but i get very strong feelings to go one

3877
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,920
way or the other here's an example you

3878
02:28:55,990 --> 02:28:53,680
want an example i do a really good

3879
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:56,000
example i do and let me tell you there

3880
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:57,359
are

3881
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,359
thousands of examples but this is this

3882
02:29:03,349 --> 02:29:01,280
is a really cool one

3883
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:03,359
when i was touring as understudy to

3884
02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:04,640
barbara eden

3885
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:06,960
uh my dream of jeannie and uh fan of

3886
02:29:12,230 --> 02:29:09,200
music she was maria

3887
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:12,240
and i get a call from leon euris

3888
02:29:16,550 --> 02:29:14,560
who wrote the book exodus which was a

3889
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:16,560
giant bestseller

3890
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:18,880
and also he did the movie with salminio

3891
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:21,520
and paul newman which was a giant hit

3892
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:23,840
and now he was doing the

3893
02:29:28,630 --> 02:29:24,720
uh

3894
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:28,640
and

3895
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:32,720
that's another thing that i can't take

3896
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:35,520
credit for it's a gift and and i

3897
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:37,439
developed it as much as i could and

3898
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:39,359
actually helped me get the part of

3899
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:41,120
florida arizona and raising arizona

3900
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:42,240
which we can talk about because there's

3901
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:44,560
a reference to ufos my character in

3902
02:29:50,070 --> 02:29:48,080
radiating arizona but but any rate um i

3903
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:50,080
get a call while we're touring to

3904
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:51,520
audition for the part of karen the

3905
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:52,640
ingenue

3906
02:29:57,429 --> 02:29:55,520
uh and i they flew me to new york and i

3907
02:30:00,150 --> 02:29:57,439
auditioned for food on yours and it got

3908
02:30:02,230 --> 02:30:00,160
down to two of us and ironically enough

3909
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:02,240
the other gal jackie nero jacqueline

3910
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:05,120
mayro was in elementary school with me

3911
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:07,200
and was plucked out in fourth grade she

3912
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:09,760
was a prima ballerina she was an amazing

3913
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:11,600
dancer as

3914
02:30:18,389 --> 02:30:15,600
baby june the original baby june in uh

3915
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:18,399
gypsy in broadway with ethel merman it

3916
02:30:23,429 --> 02:30:20,720
got down to the two of us well i happen

3917
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:23,439
to be starting medical school in a month

3918
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:25,600
and in 1970

3919
02:30:30,070 --> 02:30:27,680
there weren't too many women in the

3920
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:30,080
classes there were like a handful in my

3921
02:30:34,389 --> 02:30:33,120
class of 120 at temple temple university

3922
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:34,399
medical school

3923
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:36,960
and talk about soul searching i mean i

3924
02:30:42,150 --> 02:30:39,359
really had to make a decision because

3925
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:42,160
if i didn't go to medical school i would

3926
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:43,840
probably never be accepted again

3927
02:30:46,950 --> 02:30:45,439
anywhere if i if i took a part on

3928
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:46,960
broadway so

3929
02:30:51,510 --> 02:30:49,680
i decided i did the soul searching and

3930
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:51,520
the answer that came was that i had to

3931
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:52,399
finish

3932
02:30:55,990 --> 02:30:54,240
my medical training

3933
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:56,000
one day i would

3934
02:31:00,469 --> 02:30:57,680
realize why

3935
02:31:02,230 --> 02:31:00,479
and i went back to leon eures and we had

3936
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,240
a discussion he wasn't too happy about

3937
02:31:07,429 --> 02:31:04,560
it and the show went on the road and you

3938
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,439
know how they they do previews and and

3939
02:31:09,990 --> 02:31:08,960
different cities before they open on

3940
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:10,000
broadway

3941
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:14,720
i would have been dead me

3942
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:17,280
and that's just one of so many times

3943
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:19,920
where i've trusted in the guidance wow

3944
02:31:26,309 --> 02:31:22,560
and uh and it's really taken me to a

3945
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:26,319
good place so about a month after the

3946
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:29,200
mass sighting come a month or so after

3947
02:31:32,550 --> 02:31:30,720
the mass sighting and i i talked about

3948
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:32,560
this in the book i mean i didn't know

3949
02:31:37,110 --> 02:31:34,720
why i had what i had and and again it's

3950
02:31:39,110 --> 02:31:37,120
not about me it's about the data and i

3951
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:39,120
but but in good conscience i i didn't

3952
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:41,120
know what to do with what i had

3953
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,720
and of course my friend would say land

3954
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,560
if anybody can do something professional

3955
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:46,720
and incredible with as you can and i i

3956
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:48,240
really felt guilty because i thought

3957
02:31:51,670 --> 02:31:50,319
should i be doing something with this if

3958
02:31:54,070 --> 02:31:51,680
it's real

3959
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,080
and i went out on the balcony and i just

3960
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:56,479
looked up to the sky and again i went

3961
02:32:02,150 --> 02:31:59,200
into a meditation and and just asked

3962
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:02,160
asked for guidance i i surrendered and i

3963
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:03,520
said look you know if i'm really

3964
02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:05,359
supposed to do something

3965
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:07,600
credible and professional with this just

3966
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,960
show me the way

3967
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,040
and i have to tell you

3968
02:32:14,870 --> 02:32:12,880
the puzzle pieces just keep fitting

3969
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:14,880
together and i'm just along for the ride

3970
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:16,800
and you know if it ends tomorrow and

3971
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:18,640
just the book in the documentary and i

3972
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,560
work on the curriculum that's fine with

3973
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:22,399
me i don't have to do this well you've

3974
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:25,040
also got let's not let's not play around

3975
02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:27,120
here you do have raising arizona in your

3976
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:30,160
back pocket too that's pretty cool

3977
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:32,319
well that's an interesting story well

3978
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,399
you know if you don't mind uh i know

3979
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:36,720
that we've run over a little bit oh this

3980
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:38,560
is faded black i'm your host jimmy

3981
02:32:43,110 --> 02:32:40,479
church on the dark matter radio network

3982
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:43,120
we are talking with dr lynn kitai

3983
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:45,200
about the phoenix lights and a bunch of

3984
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:46,800
other subjects and we've gone over a

3985
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:49,359
little bit if can he can he please just

3986
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:51,120
stay with me for a few more minutes and

3987
02:32:55,750 --> 02:32:53,680
let's talk about raising arizona is that

3988
02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:55,760
cool yeah yeah particularly since there

3989
02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:58,160
was a reference to ufos yes yes

3990
02:33:02,230 --> 02:33:00,720
yes yes yes so

3991
02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:02,240
um

3992
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:05,040
how did you get the role and you know

3993
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:07,439
when you think about who you

3994
02:33:11,830 --> 02:33:09,359
were in that movie with you know nick

3995
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:11,840
cage and holly hunter and and john

3996
02:33:15,910 --> 02:33:13,840
goodman

3997
02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:15,920
francis mcdormand's getting started

3998
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:19,040
william forsyth i mean who just killed

3999
02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:20,800
in the movie he just slayed

4000
02:33:25,429 --> 02:33:23,760
now did you guys have any idea when you

4001
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:25,439
were when you were

4002
02:33:28,710 --> 02:33:27,280
filming this that it was going to move

4003
02:33:32,469 --> 02:33:28,720
on to be

4004
02:33:35,030 --> 02:33:32,479
the huge cult classic that it's it's

4005
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:35,040
quoted and referenced every single day

4006
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,520
of the week so it is amazing it is

4007
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,600
amazing did you have any idea

4008
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:41,840
very ironic are you kidding not at all

4009
02:33:45,910 --> 02:33:44,080
not at all in fact all right in fact

4010
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,920
when i first moved to phoenix and i had

4011
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:47,200
to tell you i was you know doing

4012
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:49,680
professional musical theater since i was

4013
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:52,319
eight uh back east and people just knew

4014
02:33:56,550 --> 02:33:54,960
my work and i really never auditioned um

4015
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,560
you know if i could do what i did in

4016
02:34:01,910 --> 02:33:59,040
fact i stepped in for peppermint patty

4017
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:01,920
in the touring company of uh uh snoopy

4018
02:34:05,670 --> 02:34:03,920
with the original snoopy um during

4019
02:34:08,710 --> 02:34:05,680
medical school that was at my christmas

4020
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:08,720
week because week vacation uh because

4021
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:11,200
peppermint patty's dad had passed a

4022
02:34:14,710 --> 02:34:12,479
couple days before and they needed

4023
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:14,720
somebody to just jump right in and and i

4024
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:16,720
did i mean that was it just the way it

4025
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:19,120
was and what did you know somebody did

4026
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:21,200
you know a producer oh they all they

4027
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:22,960
knew my work i mean i worked with you

4028
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:24,960
know through all those years i mean i

4029
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:27,200
was you know in my 20s already and had

4030
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:28,640
worked with lots of directors and

4031
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:30,399
musical directors and

4032
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:32,640
uh you know they knew my work and if i

4033
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:34,640
could do it i did it

4034
02:34:39,030 --> 02:34:36,800
were you living in phoenix at the time

4035
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:39,040
no i wasn't phil well we had moved to

4036
02:34:44,309 --> 02:34:42,319
phoenix in nineteen eighty right and

4037
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:44,319
um you know i met some people in the

4038
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:46,479
field and and would be kind of feeling

4039
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:49,600
it out what's going on here and uh and i

4040
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:52,319
was actually um invited to

4041
02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:54,880
a johnson johnson wax commercial now

4042
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:57,280
this is interesting because i was only

4043
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:59,520
you know i was in my late twenties and

4044
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:01,520
i had a two-year-old and a five-year-old

4045
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:02,640
at the time

4046
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:05,200
and i auditioned and and i was scared to

4047
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,720
death to audition because i never wrote

4048
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:08,640
this it was really nerve-wracking for me

4049
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:10,560
but i auditioned and the casting

4050
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:12,000
director came over and she pulled me

4051
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:14,560
aside and she said when you did a great

4052
02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:16,640
audition but they think you're too old

4053
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,720
to be a young housewife

4054
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,640
and i have to tell you that

4055
02:35:24,230 --> 02:35:22,880
yeah you're already young yeah i was

4056
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:24,240
like at night through my heart i mean

4057
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:26,640
here i had played on my whole life and

4058
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:28,160
had a two-year-old and a five-year-old

4059
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:29,439
they're telling me i'm too old to be a

4060
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:31,040
young housewife i thought it was over

4061
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:31,840
okay

4062
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:34,240
well she remembered that she remembered

4063
02:35:38,950 --> 02:35:36,720
that and she also had heard me sing i i

4064
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,960
used to sing the anthem uh

4065
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:40,880
national anthem at the suns games

4066
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,840
basketball games and the the um

4067
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:46,000
uh the hockey games and the football

4068
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:47,920
games and so forth and she had heard me

4069
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,680
sing and i have like a three octave

4070
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:51,439
range and she remembered

4071
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:53,520
and several years later and this is like

4072
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:54,800
an eighty five

4073
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:56,960
she calls me while i'm seeing patients

4074
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:58,399
in the office i don't even remember who

4075
02:36:02,309 --> 02:36:00,240
she was and they said sunny siblings on

4076
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:02,319
the phone and i saw she's funny cyber

4077
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:03,920
and i get on the phone

4078
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:06,000
and she says hi lynn remember me you

4079
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:07,680
audition for johnson johnson wax

4080
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:08,960
commercial and they thought you were too

4081
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:10,319
old to be a young elephant she

4082
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:12,479
remembered and we actually need somebody

4083
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,080
that looks a little older for this part

4084
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:16,319
for the coen brothers um they're up and

4085
02:36:21,590 --> 02:36:18,399
coming they did the movie uh blood

4086
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:21,600
simple which you know whoa i mean that

4087
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:23,520
you know if you've ever seen it oh it's

4088
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:26,560
a great movie yeah yeah but um but at

4089
02:36:30,630 --> 02:36:28,880
any rate uh that's all they had done so

4090
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:30,640
far and she said you know it's a part of

4091
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:32,720
a you know the black comedy and it's

4092
02:36:36,870 --> 02:36:34,479
with nicholas cage and he had a little

4093
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:36,880
bit of a name okay but nobody else did i

4094
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,280
mean it was holly hunter and and john

4095
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:41,120
goodman as you said in france francis

4096
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:43,280
and dorman and and we enforced that it

4097
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:45,040
was all their their one of their first

4098
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:46,000
movies

4099
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:48,640
and um you know it's the part of an

4100
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:51,040
older woman who has fertility drugs and

4101
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:52,560
she has quintuplets and she's like a

4102
02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:53,920
little bird well

4103
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,760
i have to tell you this which is really

4104
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:57,600
a cute story when we when i was in

4105
02:37:01,830 --> 02:36:59,120
philadelphia and i was doing health

4106
02:37:05,110 --> 02:37:01,840
reporting in nbc uh

4107
02:37:07,590 --> 02:37:05,120
i was called to audition for the doctor

4108
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:07,600
in the second rocky movie

4109
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,600
and when i walked in

4110
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:11,760
the casting director looked at me and

4111
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:13,680
she says oh you don't look like a doctor

4112
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:15,359
you can't be

4113
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,399
in the mood

4114
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:18,800
she would give me the part so i figured

4115
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:20,319
you know what i'm coming looking like

4116
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:22,479
this part right coming from my theater

4117
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:25,200
background so i dressed exactly what i

4118
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:28,240
look like in the movie okay and i walk

4119
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:30,560
in with this high if you remember like a

4120
02:37:34,870 --> 02:37:32,880
high collar shirt in the long skirt and

4121
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:34,880
my hair was all up and closed right

4122
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:36,960
right right i actually had asked a

4123
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:39,040
friend of mine who's not optometrist for

4124
02:37:42,790 --> 02:37:40,640
a pair of glasses and he gave me like a

4125
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:42,800
sixties type pair of glasses around

4126
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:46,080
glasses and i come walking in there and

4127
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:48,319
first of all it's it's joel and ethan

4128
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:50,640
cohen sitting at the table with with

4129
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:53,520
sonny and she looks at me and i look at

4130
02:37:56,389 --> 02:37:54,880
them and they're wearing the same

4131
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:56,399
glasses and i'm coming in as a

4132
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:58,000
caricature and i thought oh my god

4133
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:00,479
they're gonna hate me and she says you

4134
02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:02,640
know lynn usually doesn't wear glasses

4135
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:04,319
like that and they said no no no we like

4136
02:38:09,190 --> 02:38:06,160
it we like it i actually ended up

4137
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:09,200
wearing glasses from the movie anyway um

4138
02:38:14,230 --> 02:38:10,960
here they had flown in

4139
02:38:17,030 --> 02:38:14,240
girls from uh la in new york to audition

4140
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:17,040
for the role and um you know i'm here

4141
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:18,960
and there's one point where

4142
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:21,120
uh the character sees that one of the

4143
02:38:25,429 --> 02:38:24,399
quintuplets is missing and she screams

4144
02:38:28,150 --> 02:38:25,439
so

4145
02:38:29,910 --> 02:38:28,160
you know these girls are like screaming

4146
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:29,920
and and i'm thinking how can i do this

4147
02:38:33,270 --> 02:38:31,840
differently than than everybody else to

4148
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:33,280
get their attention

4149
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:34,960
and i figured well just do what i do

4150
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:37,920
best and i started at a low d

4151
02:38:49,270 --> 02:38:47,510
and then screamed really loud and they

4152
02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:49,280
loved it they loved it and they loved

4153
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:51,760
how i did my lines and and got the part

4154
02:38:57,190 --> 02:38:55,120
and what's really interesting two things

4155
02:38:58,469 --> 02:38:57,200
number one which i didn't even realize

4156
02:39:01,830 --> 02:38:58,479
that there was a reference the movie

4157
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:01,840
came out in 87 10 years before the mass

4158
02:39:05,670 --> 02:39:03,200
sighting

4159
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:05,680
and when i finally came forward and it

4160
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:07,920
was just a few years ago a couple years

4161
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:09,680
after i came forward somebody came up to

4162
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,240
me because they had shared when i did my

4163
02:39:15,190 --> 02:39:14,000
presentation that i had done raising

4164
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:15,200
arizona and they said you know there's a

4165
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:17,920
reference to your character and ufos

4166
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:19,439
and i didn't even remember and i went

4167
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:21,200
back to to look at it i hadn't seen it

4168
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:23,120
since since the eighties

4169
02:39:28,790 --> 02:39:26,399
and lo and behold for anybody out there

4170
02:39:31,349 --> 02:39:28,800
might they might remember this um first

4171
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:31,359
of all our house was a jacoki inn which

4172
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:33,200
is on the property of the phoenician

4173
02:39:36,830 --> 02:39:35,200
have you ever been there yep i sure have

4174
02:39:41,910 --> 02:39:36,840
yeah it's really cool

4175
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,920
um and the the uh driveway uh at in the

4176
02:39:44,710 --> 02:39:43,200
in the movie

4177
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:44,720
what what happened was that they

4178
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:47,200
combined i did i did what i just did for

4179
02:39:51,830 --> 02:39:50,160
you a little latter of course um you

4180
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:51,840
know dozens and dozens of times and they

4181
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:54,560
combined that to make it look like as

4182
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:57,040
they're going down the road you know you

4183
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:58,960
hear you hear the sound which is like

4184
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:00,640
pretty pretty amazing and then it goes

4185
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:03,600
up the ladder and into the bedroom and

4186
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:06,960
then i turn from the uh crib

4187
02:40:12,230 --> 02:40:07,680
to

4188
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:12,240
mouth as a screen well two things first

4189
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:15,520
of all after the baby was kidnapped uh

4190
02:40:19,270 --> 02:40:17,680
by nicholas cage and holly hunter they

4191
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:19,280
had a press conference in front of the

4192
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:22,479
jacoki inn and one of the reporters

4193
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:25,120
pushes a microphone into my husband

4194
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:28,800
nathan arizona uh senior's face and says

4195
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:31,200
um there's a rumor that your son was

4196
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:34,800
abducted by ufos is that true

4197
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:37,200
and my husband says whoa whoa please

4198
02:40:42,150 --> 02:40:39,520
don't print that son if his mom reads

4199
02:40:44,070 --> 02:40:42,160
that she's going to lose all hope

4200
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:44,080
right

4201
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:46,080
that was the line and of course i feel

4202
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:48,720
totally opposite than that but that was

4203
02:40:51,190 --> 02:40:50,000
interesting

4204
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,200
first of all

4205
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:53,359
second of all

4206
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:55,920
when we did that shot

4207
02:41:00,389 --> 02:40:58,479
the cinematographer who was just getting

4208
02:41:02,389 --> 02:41:00,399
started too

4209
02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:02,399
took fiber optic lenses they wanted to

4210
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:04,880
make the effect like olive oil with the

4211
02:41:09,429 --> 02:41:07,359
uvula wiggling

4212
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:09,439
which now they could just do it with cgi

4213
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:11,359
or whatever special effects then thank

4214
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:12,880
goodness that they didn't they couldn't

4215
02:41:14,870 --> 02:41:14,000
do it then

4216
02:41:17,270 --> 02:41:14,880
but

4217
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:17,280
he took this little teeny camera with

4218
02:41:20,870 --> 02:41:18,880
fiber optics

4219
02:41:23,750 --> 02:41:20,880
little little little light fiber optic

4220
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:23,760
lights and put it in my mouth

4221
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:25,680
and had me

4222
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:27,920
if you scream your uvula controls yeah i

4223
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,160
remember the shot i i didn't know that

4224
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:32,880
was actually inside of your mouth

4225
02:41:36,230 --> 02:41:34,399
wait a minute yeah well

4226
02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:36,240
if you just go huh

4227
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:38,000
you know your usual wiggle a lot well we

4228
02:41:42,950 --> 02:41:40,080
did this for hours where he would start

4229
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:42,960
in my mouth and go backwards he would go

4230
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:45,920
back and i would turn to the crib and

4231
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:47,600
then after we were all done they

4232
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:49,680
reversed it so it looked like i went

4233
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:51,520
from the crib and then the camera went

4234
02:41:56,230 --> 02:41:54,240
into my mouth okay got it

4235
02:41:57,429 --> 02:41:56,240
well when they did this for with

4236
02:42:00,389 --> 02:41:57,439
previews

4237
02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:00,399
the um the audience thought that it was

4238
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:03,280
too medical which is ironic and it ended

4239
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:04,640
up on the cutting room floor although

4240
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:06,160
you do see me scream but you don't see

4241
02:42:11,349 --> 02:42:09,040
my uvula wiggly goodness because it the

4242
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:11,359
joke around campus was that it was uh

4243
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,000
gave new meaning to deep throat okay

4244
02:42:19,110 --> 02:42:16,399
so which is not really funny but at the

4245
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:19,120
time they thought it was but anyway the

4246
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:21,439
cinematographer

4247
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:22,720
himself

4248
02:42:28,870 --> 02:42:26,240
who did this okay ended up to go on to

4249
02:42:31,349 --> 02:42:28,880
do the movie big the movie harry met

4250
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:31,359
sally and some other really big names

4251
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,200
and you know what else he did what's

4252
02:42:36,710 --> 02:42:34,800
that

4253
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:36,720
you know what his name is

4254
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:39,680
barry sonnenfeld oh that's right that's

4255
02:42:43,030 --> 02:42:40,880
right that's right

4256
02:42:45,190 --> 02:42:43,040
men in black yeah yeah yeah barry did

4257
02:42:46,870 --> 02:42:45,200
all of their cinematography early on

4258
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:46,880
yeah that's right that's right is that

4259
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:50,000
amazing yeah yeah absolutely i i just

4260
02:42:55,270 --> 02:42:52,640
got i there's a bunch of texts before i

4261
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:55,280
let you go a bunch of text and an email

4262
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:57,359
all saying the same thing

4263
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:00,560
where are your books and documentary

4264
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,600
available and what is i'm looking at it

4265
02:43:06,630 --> 02:43:05,760
now what is the correct title of the

4266
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:06,640
book

4267
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:08,560
okay well thank you so much for asking i

4268
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:09,600
really appreciate it and thanks for

4269
02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:11,439
listening all these stories well you

4270
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:12,640
know

4271
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:16,160
we have very very very smart uh uh

4272
02:43:22,389 --> 02:43:19,040
listeners to this show and it is indeed

4273
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:22,399
humbling and so i have to just ask they

4274
02:43:26,550 --> 02:43:23,760
are asking

4275
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:26,560
and is it available on amazon that's one

4276
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:28,080
of the questions absolutely well i i am

4277
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:29,600
humble too the book is called the

4278
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:31,920
phoenix flights a skeptic's discovery

4279
02:43:36,469 --> 02:43:34,080
that we are not alone it's the third

4280
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:36,479
edition the latest edition is available

4281
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:38,960
in bookstores barnes noble and amazon

4282
02:43:44,389 --> 02:43:41,520
actually has the best discount usually

4283
02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:44,399
uh on amazon and kindle

4284
02:43:50,469 --> 02:43:47,920
and uh and it's it's it's it's really

4285
02:43:52,309 --> 02:43:50,479
such a an experience i've learned for

4286
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:52,319
people to read the book especially those

4287
02:43:56,150 --> 02:43:54,160
that have had an experience and even

4288
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:56,160
those that haven't if they want to know

4289
02:44:00,790 --> 02:43:58,720
what happens to someone that

4290
02:44:02,830 --> 02:44:00,800
is a healthy skeptic and that resists

4291
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:02,840
the whole thing and then

4292
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:05,359
ultimately get so much information and

4293
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:07,279
so much compelling data and they will

4294
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:10,080
too as they read it um that it really

4295
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:13,200
opens your uh your mind to to the

4296
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:15,359
possibilities the wondrous possibilities

4297
02:44:20,230 --> 02:44:17,600
the the documentary is actually three

4298
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:20,240
editions out there the original edition

4299
02:44:25,429 --> 02:44:22,960
has uh all the um

4300
02:44:28,230 --> 02:44:25,439
a dozen of the uh awards on it the

4301
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:28,240
phoenix slates we are not alone and uh

4302
02:44:34,469 --> 02:44:31,359
vanguard cinema did uh anderson digital

4303
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:34,479
uh has two versions um and they're

4304
02:44:40,950 --> 02:44:37,439
they're all the same uh as far as the

4305
02:44:43,830 --> 02:44:40,960
movie goes but the uh we keep adding to

4306
02:44:45,510 --> 02:44:43,840
the bonus features and uh

4307
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,520
one is called the phoenix lights we are

4308
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:47,520
not alone and the newest one is the

4309
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:50,479
phoenix slate beyond top secret and i

4310
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:51,840
have to say the bonus features i hope

4311
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:54,080
anyone that does get the dvd please

4312
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:55,920
please take a look at the bonus features

4313
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:57,439
doctor uh

4314
02:45:01,110 --> 02:44:59,359
uh edgar mitchell astronaut mitchell

4315
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:01,120
talks about the cover-up which i do not

4316
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:03,840
get into but he talks about that in the

4317
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:05,200
in the uh

4318
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:07,040
uh in the bonus features and we have

4319
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:10,000
that 92 year young uh french foo fighter

4320
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:13,359
pilot his story is amazing as well as a

4321
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:15,359
pilot that's in the documentary that

4322
02:45:18,950 --> 02:45:17,279
talks about why it absolutely could not

4323
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:18,960
be flared he saw this thing right over

4324
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:21,920
him and uh and a lot more i mean there's

4325
02:45:28,150 --> 02:45:25,200
there's so much in there uh the the uh

4326
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:28,160
it's it's it's packed with information

4327
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:30,240
and i'll keep you posted with the uh

4328
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:31,760
with the curriculum and that and

4329
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:34,160
everything is available on amazon and so

4330
02:45:40,790 --> 02:45:38,000
the the book has been updated since 2010

4331
02:45:43,110 --> 02:45:40,800
uh that 2010 is the last edition okay

4332
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:43,120
there you go um again i'm just reading

4333
02:45:47,750 --> 02:45:46,240
tweets see our people are on this

4334
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,760
i have to

4335
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:50,000
i so appreciate it i can tell you and i

4336
02:45:53,269 --> 02:45:51,840
i hope they appreciate it and i'd love

4337
02:45:55,670 --> 02:45:53,279
to hear from you once you do read the

4338
02:45:58,550 --> 02:45:55,680
book and also please please go on the

4339
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,560
phoenix lights network facebook page

4340
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:01,279
because i'm constantly updating and you

4341
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:03,920
know there's so many similar phenomena

4342
02:46:09,190 --> 02:46:05,840
happening worldwide and i try to keep on

4343
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:09,200
it and share that with uh with our group

4344
02:46:14,630 --> 02:46:11,520
there and uh and i hope you'll join us

4345
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:14,640
there yep thank you doctor and uh don't

4346
02:46:20,630 --> 02:46:18,319
forget we'll be seeing you on august 8th

4347
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:20,640
of the contact in the desert

4348
02:46:24,790 --> 02:46:22,640
and as you know we'll be broadcasting

4349
02:46:26,309 --> 02:46:24,800
that night and you promised me you would

4350
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:26,319
uh jump on the microphone for a few

4351
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:28,560
minutes with absolutely absolutely and

4352
02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:30,560
check out the website too it is packed

4353
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:32,240
there is so much to explore no it's a

4354
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:34,240
great website i spent

4355
02:46:38,469 --> 02:46:36,800
i spent so much time on it this week and

4356
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:38,479
the

4357
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:40,399
you know that makes it all worth coming

4358
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:42,319
forward it really does when people

4359
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,399
actually look at the data so i so

4360
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:46,240
appreciate that and thank you audience

4361
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:48,319
for listening i'll talk to you soon

4362
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:50,720
thank you doctor and jimmy see you soon

4363
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:51,920
we'll see you in a couple of months

4364
02:47:02,150 --> 02:46:57,990
all right

4365
02:47:03,750 --> 02:47:02,160
wow doctor lynn kittay

4366
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:03,760
oh

4367
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:05,359
we got to thank her for coming on the

4368
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:06,399
show tonight

4369
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:08,319
i've uh

4370
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:11,600
i was just looking okay all right couple

4371
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:13,520
of things really quick

4372
02:47:16,950 --> 02:47:14,960
uh

4373
02:47:19,670 --> 02:47:16,960
again thank you doctor and don't forget

4374
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:19,680
uh tomorrow night stephen bassett

4375
02:47:27,269 --> 02:47:24,240
prg friday fourth of july show

4376
02:47:28,710 --> 02:47:27,279
will be with adam go rightly and i am

4377
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:28,720
really looking forward to that we've

4378
02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:29,600
been

4379
02:47:34,710 --> 02:47:31,920
working on getting adam on the show i

4380
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:34,720
shot him an email or i think we talk it

4381
02:47:39,429 --> 02:47:36,720
doesn't matter we tried to get him on

4382
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:39,439
the show a few months ago two didn't

4383
02:47:44,230 --> 02:47:40,880
return email

4384
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:44,240
and now he's returning email i think uh

4385
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:45,680
he knows what time it is it's going to

4386
02:47:52,389 --> 02:47:48,479
be a great show on the 4th of july

4387
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:52,399
um i wanted to say today i did some

4388
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:54,960
did some video shoots today here

4389
02:47:59,670 --> 02:47:57,200
um what it was about

4390
02:48:02,630 --> 02:47:59,680
doesn't really matter um all of that

4391
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:02,640
will be coming out what what yes i see

4392
02:48:08,550 --> 02:48:04,399
that

4393
02:48:14,950 --> 02:48:11,190
i said the name wrong again

4394
02:48:16,550 --> 02:48:14,960
on what what did i say the name wrong on

4395
02:48:18,389 --> 02:48:16,560
you'll have to text me again producers

4396
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:18,399
here are writing me really hard

4397
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:22,080
and uh one of the things that we shot

4398
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:24,720
about today and

4399
02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:26,000
again i'll

4400
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:27,600
tell you in a couple of weeks what what

4401
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:29,120
is going on with that

4402
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:30,640
but um

4403
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:31,920
was about

4404
02:48:39,670 --> 02:48:32,880
the

4405
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:39,680
underwater base

4406
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:41,120
and

4407
02:48:47,190 --> 02:48:45,680
the questions that were raised today uh

4408
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:47,200
i didn't

4409
02:48:52,389 --> 02:48:49,359
it's called memory

4410
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,399
and there were four points that i

4411
02:48:55,349 --> 02:48:54,000
brought up today and i would just want

4412
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,359
everybody to

4413
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:57,600
to listen to me for a second

4414
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,000
in 1492

4415
02:49:04,150 --> 02:49:02,880
columbus when he was approaching the new

4416
02:49:07,349 --> 02:49:04,160
world

4417
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:07,359
in 1492

4418
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:10,080
he's hours away

4419
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:12,640
from land

4420
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:15,279
and that evening that night he saw a

4421
02:49:20,469 --> 02:49:17,040
green light off in the distance off in

4422
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:20,479
the horizon and the story itself is is

4423
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:22,960
quite famous but if you don't know the

4424
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:25,120
story this is it

4425
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:27,600
he saw this light uh it's a green light

4426
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:29,760
off in the distance it approaches his

4427
02:49:34,150 --> 02:49:31,520
ship

4428
02:49:35,190 --> 02:49:34,160
and then enters the water right in front

4429
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:35,200
of him

4430
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:37,520
and he watches the light go around the

4431
02:49:40,790 --> 02:49:39,200
ship under the water everybody's

4432
02:49:42,230 --> 02:49:40,800
observing it

4433
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:42,240
and

4434
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:46,960
he actually put it in his ship's logs

4435
02:49:53,670 --> 02:49:50,000
and then there was another incident that

4436
02:49:55,750 --> 02:49:53,680
happened on june 30th 1967

4437
02:49:57,269 --> 02:49:55,760
an argentinian ship it was called the

4438
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:57,279
naviero

4439
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:01,279
and another cylindrical object was uh

4440
02:50:06,830 --> 02:50:05,200
noted officially this was a naval ship

4441
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:06,840
uh in the water

4442
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:10,000
silent and then in 1980 the brazilian

4443
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:13,439
ship the kyoba the seahorse

4444
02:50:18,550 --> 02:50:16,080
saw a gray object but this one was an

4445
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:18,560
actual disc in the water

4446
02:50:24,309 --> 02:50:22,000
and don't forget about uh

4447
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:24,319
bill cooper's sighting too as well which

4448
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:26,880
was a large disc

4449
02:50:31,349 --> 02:50:29,359
leaving the water and and i brought up

4450
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:31,359
all of these points today

4451
02:50:35,510 --> 02:50:34,160
um in the video because it's all about

4452
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:35,520
the evidence

4453
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:37,920
and when we talk about

4454
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:40,399
uh the malibu deep underwater base or

4455
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:43,040
any in ufology which

4456
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:45,279
you know ufos

4457
02:50:49,510 --> 02:50:47,600
have been discussed throughout history

4458
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:49,520
going back thousands of years and it's

4459
02:50:52,469 --> 02:50:51,680
been the same thing with usos too as

4460
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:52,479
well

4461
02:50:57,990 --> 02:50:55,680
but it always comes down to it always

4462
02:51:01,510 --> 02:50:58,000
comes down to the evidence

4463
02:51:03,110 --> 02:51:01,520
and with ufos which aren't usos but with

4464
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:03,120
ufos

4465
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:04,319
you know we're dealing with something

4466
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:07,359
that is from another planet or another

4467
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:10,720
solar system or another universe

4468
02:51:16,469 --> 02:51:14,160
you know that's that's another galaxy

4469
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:16,479
and that's what we're dealing with there

4470
02:51:20,790 --> 02:51:18,560
and that evidence that's a little bit

4471
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:20,800
different

4472
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:23,200
but when we're talking about the malibu

4473
02:51:27,510 --> 02:51:25,040
deep underwater base

4474
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:27,520
now we're talking about images

4475
02:51:33,030 --> 02:51:30,080
with provenance

4476
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:33,040
with a source and that source is google

4477
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:34,560
earth

4478
02:51:39,990 --> 02:51:37,439
it's a whole nother thing

4479
02:51:41,269 --> 02:51:40,000
i've been receiving so much email about

4480
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:41,279
this well what is it what about the

4481
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,279
evidence what is what you know what this

4482
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:45,040
is a situation where

4483
02:51:51,030 --> 02:51:47,920
we have evidence

4484
02:51:53,830 --> 02:51:51,040
we have images

4485
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:53,840
with provenance

4486
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:57,040
and a source that we can point to

4487
02:52:01,910 --> 02:52:00,000
that you yourself everybody listening to

4488
02:52:02,710 --> 02:52:01,920
my voice right now you can go to google

4489
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:02,720
earth

4490
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:05,520
pop that baby into satellite mode and go

4491
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:09,120
look at this for yourself

4492
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:12,240
and that's a whole different situation

4493
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:15,120
and i really stressed that today

4494
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:16,560
somebody

4495
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:20,880
talking about you know my integrity

4496
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,720
uh is is

4497
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:24,720
you know is now in question because i

4498
02:52:30,389 --> 02:52:28,080
jumped to a ufo

4499
02:52:34,550 --> 02:52:30,399
hypothesis immediately with the malibu

4500
02:52:37,750 --> 02:52:34,560
base well yes i did

4501
02:52:40,389 --> 02:52:37,760
i did jump to that why because the

4502
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:40,399
location of that base

4503
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:42,479
and i said it again today

4504
02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:45,520
the location of that base that anomaly

4505
02:52:52,269 --> 02:52:47,760
is right in the middle

4506
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:52,279
of probably the most documented ufo uso

4507
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:54,000
ufo

4508
02:53:00,630 --> 02:52:57,359
activity in the united states

4509
02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:00,640
it's right there

4510
02:53:06,309 --> 02:53:04,720
so how could one not jump

4511
02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:06,319
to that conclusion

4512
02:53:10,469 --> 02:53:08,319
and that hypothesis

4513
02:53:12,309 --> 02:53:10,479
because when i saw it and i and every

4514
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:12,319
other researcher that has seen those

4515
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:15,040
images they all said the same exact

4516
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:16,160
thing

4517
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:20,150
finally

4518
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:23,680
so it's not my integrity it's my opinion

4519
02:53:29,830 --> 02:53:26,000
i haven't sold out to anybody

4520
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:31,830
it's very important

4521
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:34,880
to get the message out

4522
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:38,000
i had i had read a couple of other posts

4523
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:40,160
on another forum

4524
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:41,680
that's out there

4525
02:53:45,670 --> 02:53:43,760
and they said um

4526
02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:45,680
i shouldn't have said anything

4527
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:46,399
i

4528
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:50,080
should have just hushed up

4529
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:51,680
i had no business

4530
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:53,439
going there

4531
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:56,800
and my response is very simple

4532
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:58,800
the exact opposite

4533
02:54:04,710 --> 02:54:01,840
is where the damage lies

4534
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:04,720
not speaking

4535
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:08,800
is worse sitting on the information

4536
02:54:12,550 --> 02:54:10,080
suddenly

4537
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:12,560
you have nothing

4538
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:15,600
that is disinfo

4539
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:18,399
not saying anything at all

4540
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:21,120
it is so important to speak

4541
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:23,439
and by going radical

4542
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:26,640
by saying exactly what was on my mind

4543
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:30,240
caused this to go into the mainstream

4544
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:33,520
that's why it's a story worth covering

4545
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:35,840
if i would have looked at those images

4546
02:54:40,950 --> 02:54:38,560
and then did an article

4547
02:54:43,990 --> 02:54:40,960
or mark kovar would have written

4548
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:44,000
something the opposite which was

4549
02:54:52,469 --> 02:54:49,429
rocks two miles high found off of the

4550
02:54:54,230 --> 02:54:52,479
coast of malibu well who cares

4551
02:54:56,630 --> 02:54:54,240
is that newsworthy

4552
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:56,640
no no investigation

4553
02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:58,160
no talk

4554
02:55:02,070 --> 02:54:59,439
no nothing

4555
02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:02,080
and once again a very important subject

4556
02:55:06,150 --> 02:55:05,040
gets squashed

4557
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:06,160
so

4558
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:09,520
that's why i said what i said

4559
02:55:13,030 --> 02:55:10,960
when i said it

4560
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:13,040
it's very important

4561
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:15,439
integrity is everything and if i would

4562
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:17,600
have sat on that information

4563
02:55:22,070 --> 02:55:19,760
shame on me

4564
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:22,080
and that's the truth and that's why i

4565
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:24,880
did what i did

4566
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:27,359
all right i had to get that off my chest

4567
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:29,600
but it was an amazing uh video shooting

4568
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:31,840
today and i'll tell you what that is all

4569
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:34,080
about in the very near future let me let

4570
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:35,359
me just bounce around here let's see

4571
02:55:42,790 --> 02:55:37,680
what what have we got going on twitter

4572
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:46,870
jimmy is so right you have to speak out

4573
02:55:51,750 --> 02:55:49,359
and have conviction the truth is out

4574
02:55:53,590 --> 02:55:51,760
there that's exactly right

4575
02:55:54,870 --> 02:55:53,600
brad kelly says you go jimmy we've got

4576
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:54,880
your back

4577
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:57,600
better better to take a position

4578
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:00,240
rather than hee haw you know and and

4579
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:02,640
it's kind of funny there are some

4580
02:56:05,750 --> 02:56:04,000
some out there in the media that

4581
02:56:07,030 --> 02:56:05,760
absolutely hear what's going on and

4582
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:07,040
they're willing to

4583
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:09,840
to to stand beside us

4584
02:56:13,030 --> 02:56:12,080
you know i get that and and i'm thankful

4585
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,040
for that

4586
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:15,359
and then you know there's

4587
02:56:18,070 --> 02:56:17,200
there's others that just don't want to

4588
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:18,080
uh

4589
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:20,720
you know poke their head out of the sand

4590
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:24,160
and that my friends is worse

4591
02:56:28,070 --> 02:56:26,080
and i need you always to remember that

4592
02:56:31,990 --> 02:56:28,080
this show is about integrity it's about

4593
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:32,000
integrity first and foremost

4594
02:56:36,309 --> 02:56:34,160
wow what a show tonight

4595
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:36,319
i had a great time thank you dr lin

4596
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:38,160
kitai

4597
02:56:41,670 --> 02:56:40,000
phoenix lights i learned a lot tonight

4598
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:41,680
that's why you come here by the way

4599
02:56:45,190 --> 02:56:43,200
learn something go and investigate

4600
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:45,200
tomorrow steven bassett

4601
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:46,640
prg

4602
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:49,200
then on friday a special fourth of july

4603
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:51,279
show with adam go rightly

4604
02:56:57,349 --> 02:56:55,279
congratulations to our winners tonight

4605
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:57,359
for contact in the desert stay tuned

4606
02:57:02,070 --> 02:56:59,680
coming up next

4607
02:57:04,790 --> 02:57:02,080
the arizona ufo show with your host rich

4608
02:57:05,990 --> 02:57:04,800
giordano special thanks to keith roland

4609
02:57:07,910 --> 02:57:06,000
and arbel

4610
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:07,920
fade to black's executive producers rita

4611
02:57:13,750 --> 02:57:11,040
komarian shows produced by hilton j palm

4612
02:57:17,269 --> 02:57:13,760
and mark d kovar the announcers are

4613
02:57:19,349 --> 02:57:17,279
steve harder and mark d kovar music is

4614
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:19,359
this guy

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doug aldrich

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he's out in vegas right now

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go see his show out there it's pretty

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cool

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tell you about it tomorrow the show

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intro is performed by space boy thank

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you space boy

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made to black is produced by kjcr for

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the dark matter radio network i'm your

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host jimmy church we'll see you tomorrow

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night